toml@oliveb.UUCP (Dave Long) (02/26/84)
Following is a list of an alternate way to structure the newsgroups.
I have provided a few comments where things might get confusing. Most
of the major newsgroups should be on the list.
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net.admin
net.admin.site ............... was net.adm.site
net.analog
net.announce
net.announce.newusers
net.audio
net.auto
net.aviation
net.bicycle
net.college
net.comp ................... computer related topics
net.comp.arch
net.comp.arch.lsi
net.comp.arch.vlsi
net.comp.bugs
net.comp.bugs.2bsd
net.comp.bugs.4bsd
net.comp.bugs.usg
net.comp.bugs.uucp
net.comp.bugs.v7
net.comp.cs ............... computer science
net.comp.cs.ai
net.comp.cs.cog-eng
net.comp.cs.crypt
net.comp.cs.graphics
net.comp.cse
net.comp.cse.cai
net.comp.dcom
net.comp.lan
net.comp.lang
net.comp.lang.ada
net.comp.lang.apl
net.comp.lang.c
net.comp.lang.f77
net.comp.lang.forth
net.comp.lang.lisp
net.comp.lang.mod2
net.comp.lang.pascal
net.comp.lang.prolog
net.comp.lang.st80
net.comp.micro
net.comp.micro.16k
net.comp.micro.432
net.comp.micro.6809
net.comp.micro.68k
net.comp.micro.apple
net.comp.micro.atari
net.comp.micro.cbm
net.comp.micro.cpm
net.comp.micro.pc
net.comp.micro.trs-80
net.comp.micro.zx
net.comp.oa
net.comp.periphs
net.comp.sources
net.comp.sys ............... software systems
net.comp.sys.emacs
net.comp.sys.eunice
net.comp.sys.notes
net.comp.sys.unix
net.comp.sys.unix.wizards ... was net.unix-wizards
net.comp.term
net.comp.term.info-terms
net.comp.text
net.comp.usoft
net.comp.usoft.s
net.comp.works
net.comp.works.apollo
net.consumers
net.cooks
net.cycle
net.decus
net.ent ....................... entertainment
net.ent.books
net.ent.books.sf ........... was net.sf-lovers
net.ent.comics
net.ent.jokes
net.ent.jokes.d
net.ent.movies
net.ent.movies.sw
net.ent.music
net.ent.music.records
net.ent.sport
net.ent.sport.baseball
net.ent.sport.football
net.ent.sport.hockey
net.ent.sport.hoops
net.ent.startrek ........... was net.startrek
net.ent.tv
net.ent.tv.drwho
net.flame
net.games
net.games.chess ........... was net.chess
net.games.emp
net.games.rpg ............... was FRP, now RPG (Role Playing Games)
net.games.go
net.games.pacman
net.games.pbm
net.games.rogue
net.games.trivia
net.games.video
net.garden
net.general
net.general.followup ....... was net.followup
net.invest
net.jobs
net.kids
net.laser-lovers
net.legal
net.mail
net.mail.headers
net.mail.msggroup
net.misc
net.motss
net.needed
net.news.adm
net.news.b
net.news.config
net.news.group
net.news.map
net.news.newsite
net.news.sa
net.nlang
net.nlang.celts
net.nlang.greek
net.pets
net.philosophy
net.poems
net.politics
net.railroad
net.rec
net.rec.birds
net.rec.boat
net.rec.bridge
net.rec.caves
net.rec.coins
net.rec.disc
net.rec.ham-radio
net.rec.nude
net.rec.photo
net.rec.puzzle
net.rec.scuba
net.rec.ski
net.rec.skydive
net.rec.wood
net.religion
net.religion.jewish
net.research
net.roots
net.rumor
net.sci ....................... sciences
net.sci.astro
net.sci.astro.expert
net.sci.bio
net.sci.math
net.sci.med
net.sci.physics
net.sci.space
net.sci.space.shuttle ....... was net.columbia
net.social
net.social.singles
net.std
net.suicide
net.taxes
net.test
net.travel
net.usenix
net.veg
net.video
net.vvs
net.wanted
net.wines
net.wobegon
net.women
net.women.only
--
Dave Long
{ucbvax,decvax}!decwrl!ios!oliveb!toml
hplabs!oliveb!toml
allegra!oliveb!tomltoml@oliveb.UUCP (Dave Long) (02/26/84)
(with all due respect to nsc!chuqui)
The following is a suggestion for a reformation of the newsgroup structure.
I have tried to include all the groups in the latest USENET directory listing.
Comments are provided where they might be useful.
-----------------------------Directory Listing--------------------------------
net.admin
net.admin.site ............... was net.adm.site
net.analog
net.announce
net.announce.newusers
net.audio
net.auto
net.aviation
net.bicycle
net.college
net.comp ................... computer related topics
net.comp.arch
net.comp.arch.lsi
net.comp.arch.vlsi
net.comp.bugs
net.comp.bugs.2bsd
net.comp.bugs.4bsd
net.comp.bugs.usg
net.comp.bugs.uucp
net.comp.bugs.v7
net.comp.cs ............... computer science
net.comp.cs.ai
net.comp.cs.cog-eng
net.comp.cs.crypt
net.comp.cs.graphics
net.comp.cse
net.comp.cse.cai
net.comp.dcom
net.comp.lan
net.comp.lang
net.comp.lang.ada
net.comp.lang.apl
net.comp.lang.c
net.comp.lang.f77
net.comp.lang.forth
net.comp.lang.lisp
net.comp.lang.mod2
net.comp.lang.pascal
net.comp.lang.prolog
net.comp.lang.st80
net.comp.micro
net.comp.micro.16k
net.comp.micro.432
net.comp.micro.6809
net.comp.micro.68k
net.comp.micro.apple
net.comp.micro.atari
net.comp.micro.cbm
net.comp.micro.cpm
net.comp.micro.pc
net.comp.micro.trs-80
net.comp.micro.zx
net.comp.oa
net.comp.periphs
net.comp.sources
net.comp.sys ............... software systems
net.comp.sys.emacs
net.comp.sys.eunice
net.comp.sys.notes
net.comp.sys.unix
net.comp.sys.unix.wizards ... was net.unix-wizards
net.comp.term
net.comp.term.info-terms
net.comp.text
net.comp.usoft
net.comp.usoft.s
net.comp.works
net.comp.works.apollo
net.consumers
net.cooks
net.cycle
net.decus
net.ent ....................... entertainment
net.ent.books
net.ent.books.sf ........... was net.sf-lovers
net.ent.comics
net.ent.jokes
net.ent.jokes.d
net.ent.movies
net.ent.movies.sw
net.ent.music
net.ent.music.records
net.ent.sport
net.ent.sport.baseball
net.ent.sport.football
net.ent.sport.hockey
net.ent.sport.hoops
net.ent.startrek ........... was net.startrek
net.ent.tv
net.ent.tv.drwho
net.flame
net.games
net.games.chess ........... was net.chess
net.games.emp
net.games.rpg ............... was FRP, now RPG (Role Playing Games)
net.games.go
net.games.pacman
net.games.pbm
net.games.rogue
net.games.trivia
net.games.video
net.garden
net.general
net.general.followup ....... was net.followup
net.invest
net.jobs
net.kids
net.laser-lovers
net.legal
net.mail
net.mail.headers
net.mail.msggroup
net.misc
net.motss
net.needed
net.news.adm
net.news.b
net.news.config
net.news.group
net.news.map
net.news.newsite
net.news.sa
net.nlang
net.nlang.celts
net.nlang.greek
net.pets
net.philosophy
net.poems
net.politics
net.railroad
net.rec
net.rec.birds
net.rec.boat
net.rec.bridge
net.rec.caves
net.rec.coins
net.rec.disc
net.rec.ham-radio
net.rec.nude
net.rec.photo
net.rec.puzzle
net.rec.scuba
net.rec.ski
net.rec.skydive
net.rec.wood
net.religion
net.religion.jewish
net.research
net.roots
net.rumor
net.sci ....................... sciences
net.sci.astro
net.sci.astro.expert
net.sci.bio
net.sci.math
net.sci.med
net.sci.physics
net.sci.space
net.sci.space.shuttle ....... was net.columbia
net.social
net.social.singles
net.std
net.suicide
net.taxes
net.test
net.travel
net.usenix
net.veg
net.video
net.vvs
net.wanted
net.wines
net.wobegon
net.women
net.women.only
--
Dave Long
{ucbvax,decvax}!decwrl!ios!oliveb!toml
hplabs!oliveb!toml
allegra!oliveb!tomlbrad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) (03/01/84)
If we are going to do a renaming scheme like this, we need a software
change. If we need a software change, let's switch to keyword based
news instead.
(For newcomers: keyword based news is a system where every news article
is assigned as many keywords as you like. They are of the form "space shuttle",
"joke", "flame", "science fiction" etc. Some keywords describe topics
(like "science fiction") and others describe article types, like "flame",
"follwoup", "inquiry", "opinion", "original information", "reprint" etc.
Anybody can create keywords as they please. You get informed when somebody
does this. You subscribe by laying out patterns such as
"science fiction & microcomputers" or "usenet & !flame" or
"!(sender=brad & site=looking)"
"space & (arms race | movies)" etc. I sent out a big thing on it long
ago. No "net." wastes of time. Use distributions and all that.)
First of all, lets just make groups single words with no distribution
codes on them. Ie. let the groups be "singles", "sf-lovers" etc.
and have people put distribution codes on them. "world", "na", "ontario",
"waterloo", "local" - that sort of thing.
If not this, then some more renaming should be done. net.news should
be net.usenet since the program isn't even called news anymore. The
news software itself can go in a software systems group. perhaps a
division net.opinion for groups that discuss sex, politics and religion.
(net.opinion.{politics,religion,arms-d,women,flame,etc.}
--
Brad Templeton - Waterloo, Ontario (519) 886-7304cunningh@noscvax.UUCP (03/07/84)
[] As an exercise in designing a local computer conferencing system a while back, I came up with the following list of newsgroups which seemed to reflect a cleaner hierarchy. Add 'net.' in front of the first column if you wish. Surprisingly, my list is not all that different in overall form from the list in the original base note. (a slightly incomplete list, I hadn't quite figured out how many different 'sources' subgroups might be useful.) announce net.announce announcements of interest to all business business & economics business.invest net.invest investment discussions business.legal net.legal legalities & ethics of law business.taxes net.taxes subgroup about tax laws & advice entertain entertainment of all (legal) kinds entertain.audio net.audio audio equip. & use entertain.books net.books book reviews & notes entertain.comics net.comics the funnies entertain.jokes net.jokes posting jokes entertain.jokes.o net.jokes.o offensive jokes entertain.movies net.movies movie revies & notes entertain.poems net.poems poetry entertain.puzzles net.puzzle puzzles & answers entertain.sf net.sf-lovers science fiction topics entertain.tv net.tv boob tube topics entertain.video net.video video equipment & use flame net.flame for angry comments on any subject games net.games games & computer games games.adventure adventure games games.arcade net.games.video arcade-type games games.chess net.chess chess games.frp net.games.frp fantasy role players general net.general announcements of interest to all general.followup net.followup followups to articles in 'general' home home & household topics home.cooks net.cooks cooking, cookbooks, recipes home.garden net.garden gardening home.kids net.kids children, having & raising home.maint net.woods maintaining a house home.pets net.pets about pets and household animals home.wines net.wines wines & spirits lang net.lang languages, natural & computer lang.basic BASIC lang.english net.nlang English, its use & misuse lang.c net.lang.c the C computer language lang.pascal net.lang.pascal the Pascal computer language math net.math mathematical discussions & puzzles medicine net.med medicine micro net.micro microcomputers of all kinds micro.apple net.micro.apple Apple computers micro.apple.bugs Apple computer bugs micro.atari net.micro.atari Ataris micro.atari.bugs Atari bugs micro.cbm net.micro.cbm Commodores micro.cbm.bugs Commodore bugs micro.cpm net.micro.cpm micros with CP/M operating system micro.cpm.bugs CP/M bugs micro.pc net.micro.pc IBM PCs micro.pc.bugs IBM PC bugs micro.zx net.micro.zx Sinclair ZXs micro.zx.bugs ZX bugs misc net.misc miscellaneous short-lived discussions philosophy net.philosophy philosophical discussions politics net.politics political discussions politics.arms fa.arms-d armaments & national defense rec net.rec recreational/participant sports rec.bicycle net.bicycle bicycling rec.boat net.rec.boat boating rec.ham-radio net.ham-radio Amateur Radio Service rec.run running rec.scuba net.rec.scuba SCUBA diving rec.skydive net.rec.skydive skydiving rec.travel net.travel traveling to anywhere in the world religion net.religion religious discussions rumor net.rumor rumors posted here sci scientific discussions sci.astro net.space ++ astronomy & space sci.astro.expert net.astro.expert experts in astronomy sci.bio net.bio biological science sci.computer computer science sci.computer.ai net.ai artificial intelligence singles net.singles for and about single people sport net.sport spectator sports sport.baseball net.sport.baseball baseball sport.football net.sport.football football sport.hoops net.sport.hoops basketball test net.test place to post test messages women net.women women's rights NOT included: sources, newgroups -- Bob Cunningham (mail: ...vortex!islenet!bob)
tower@inmet.UUCP (03/07/84)
#R:oliveb:-29300:inmet:7000048:000:1804
inmet!tower Mar 7 00:10:00 1984
Re: Yet Another Newsgroup Streamlining.
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I not in favor of this idea, but...
oliveb!toml is overkilling net.comp .
This is a network on computers for computer professionals,
so let's not over do the comp grouping.
Leave as is:
net.bugs.all
net.cse.{all,cai}
net.lang.all
net.motss .... for the reason it has this name.
net.micro.all
net.sport.all .... overdoing net.ent .
net.sources
net.unix.all .... this is the UUCP network!
.... perhaps net.eunice -> net.unix.eunice
net.wanted .... why net.needed at all??
.... perhaps net.general.wanted
Perhaps additionally have (to oliveb!toml suggestions):
net.cs.{ai, cog-eng, dcom, crypt, graphics, lan, std}
net.eng.{analog, columbia, space}
.... and civil, mech, et.al. if the need is ever shown.
net.hw.{periphs, term, term-info}
net.sw.{emacs, mail.all, notes, text, usoft.all}
.... perhaps add a net.sw.os for completness.
net.sys.{oa, works.all, vss}
net.home.{consumers, cooks, garden, invest, kids, legal, med,
pets, roots, taxes, travel, veg, wines}
.... OR net.pers.all
net.social.{women.all}
net.rec.{audio, railroad}
net.usrgrp.{decus, usenix} .... no net.usrgrp needed ??
net.vehicle.{auto, aviation, bicyle, cycle}
net.viewpt.{philosophy, politics, poems, religion.all, suicide}
That still leaves too many top-level singletons, but a little more
thought should group most of the rest of them.
-len tower harpo!inmet!tower Cambridge, MA
------------------------------------------------------------------------smw@tilt.UUCP (Stewart Wiener) (03/08/84)
The concept of net.ent isn't well-thought out. One particular irksome detail:
net.sf-lovers is NOT just about books, it includes sf movies and tv. It
therefore should be (if we assume net.ent, which I don't like for another big
reason that will be explained):
net.ent.sf
net.ent.sf.startrek <- was net.startrek
net.ent.sf.drwho <- was net.tv.drwho
net.ent.sf.sw <- was net.movies.sw
The reason I don't like the concept of net.ent is that it becomes MUCH
too easy for an unfriendly systems administrator to say: "This whole bundle
of stuff is frivolous, and we don't need to receive it on our machine."
Wham! boatloads of newsgroups zapped by a !net.ent in the sys file.
I like tree-style organization, but by going too far in (a) segregating serious
stuff from everything else, or (b) segregating unserious stuff from everything
else, we're making netnews vulnerable to those who want ONLY the serious stuff.
(And those sites won't GET the unserious stuff to pass along to the next node.)
The effort put into the list is appreciated, though. If we have something to
attack pieces of, at least we're working towards a solution...
--
Stewart Wiener :-) "Read and weep as did
Princeton Univ. EECS :-) Alexander when he beheld
{allegra,ihnp4!mhuxi}!princeton!tilt!smw :-) the glories of Egypt."