ulmo@ssyx.ucsc.edu (Brad Allen) (02/03/89)
Gee, I wonder what _I_ want to know today! Yes, that's right, I also want to know how to obtain ISO documents. One of the major problems with ISO is that their documentation is not readily accessible as far as I know to email people. Is ISO public domain? Is there a server for ISO documents? Does any Internet site have them online? I certainly can't afford any of them, but want to read all of them. brad allen <ulmo@ssyx.ucsc.edu> [no affiliation with UCSC] p.s. is there anyone willing to periodically post reference info for this forum (like spaf does for news.*)?
jimm@haddock.ima.isc.com (Jim McGrath) (02/04/89)
In article <6217@saturn.ucsc.edu> ulmo@ssyx.ucsc.edu (Brad Allen) writes: >Gee, I wonder what _I_ want to know today! > >Yes, that's right, I also want to know how to obtain ISO documents. > >One of the major problems with ISO is that their documentation is not >readily accessible as far as I know to email people. Is ISO public domain? >Is there a server for ISO documents? Does any Internet site have them online? > >I certainly can't afford any of them, but want to read all of them. > >brad allen <ulmo@ssyx.ucsc.edu> >[no affiliation with UCSC] > >p.s. >is there anyone willing to periodically post reference info for this forum >(like spaf does for news.*)? Sorry, most ISO documents, at least those at a useful (for implementers) release level are copyrighted. For those who can afford it, a useful source is: OMNICOM, INC. 115 Park Street SE Vienna, VA 22180 (703) 281-1135 You can order by phone if you have a credit card. You should have a good idea what you want when you call, e.g. the document number, as the telemarketers are not ISO wizards. Jim
dff@Morgan.COM (Daniel F. Fisher) (02/07/89)
ISO documents are also available from American National Standards Institute (ANSI) 1430 Broadway New York, NY 10018 Sales Department: 212/642-4900 Two documents may be of particular interest: 1) ISO Catalogue ($32.00) Annual catalogue 2) ISO Bulletin ($37.00 per year) Monthly newsletter -- Daniel F. Fisher dff@morgan.com
kap121@ztivax.UUCP (Thomas Oeser) (02/09/89)
In article <6217@saturn.ucsc.edu>, ulmo@ssyx.ucsc.edu (Brad Allen) writes: > > ..... > > One of the major problems with ISO is that their documentation is not > readily accessible as far as I know to email people. Is ISO public domain? > Is there a server for ISO documents? Does any Internet site have them online? ISO documents that are already International Standards or Technical Reports are distributed by International Organization for Standardization 1, rue de Varembe Case postale 56 CH-1211 Geneva 20 Phone: + 41 22 34 12 40 Fax: + 41 22 33 34 30 Telex: 23 887 iso ch ISO owns a copyright on every document that reaches Draft (!!) International Standard Status (i.e., you (mostly) can't get it for free, no public domain, etc.). A more pragmatic way to get ISO documents is to contact the office of your national member body (USA: ANSI, France: AFNOR, UK: BSI, Germany: DIN, etc.). The biggest problems are here, - that you should know, in which ISO committees the work is undertaken you are interested in; - that you should know the counterpart of the relevant committy in your national member body; - that you should know the secretary of this group whitin your national menber body (at least his/her phone number... :-) ); Th. Oeser P.S.: I know, that ISO is starting to archive its documents using SGML style. There is also some archive/information system in consideration... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ARPA: kap121@ztivax.siemens.com UUCP: kap121@ztivax.uucp (may work only in Europe...) Postal mail: Siemens AG, K Sys Ap 121, Otto-Hahn-Ring 6, P.O. Box 830951, D-8000 Munich 83, West Germany Phone: + 49 (89) 636-47537 FAX: + 49 (89) 636-41477 Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and should not be attributed to anyone else living or dead. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
hrs@homxb.ATT.COM (H.SILBIGER) (02/22/89)
In article <6217@saturn.ucsc.edu>, ulmo@ssyx.ucsc.edu (Brad Allen) writes: > > Yes, that's right, I also want to know how to obtain ISO documents. > ISO standards can be ordered from ANSI in New York City. Some libraries have them. They are not public domain, since they are expensive to produce,, and ISO is supported by National Bodies such as ANSI, BSI and DIN, which are not government organizations, but have membership fees. Somee libraries will have copies of ISO standards. Copies of working documents (draft standards) are available to participants involved in the standards making process. Herman Silbiger hrs@batavier.ATT.COM
new@udel.EDU (Darren New) (02/23/89)
In article <3035@homxb.ATT.COM> hrs@homxb.ATT.COM (H.SILBIGER) writes: >ISO standards can be ordered from ANSI in New York City. Some libraries have them. >They are not public domain, since they are expensive to produce,, and ISO >is supported by National Bodies such as ANSI, BSI and DIN, which are not >government organizations, but have membership fees. >Herman Silbiger hrs@batavier.ATT.COM On the other hand, of the six or eight documents I have gotten from ANSI, none have had a copyright notice anywhere within the text. I'll agree that you can't get the docs from ANSI for free (usually around $35-$60 for the ones I ordered) but they do indeed seem to be in the public domain, meaning that they can be copied and redistributed without fee. What page is the copyright notice on, if you have seen one? - Darren New
dff@Morgan.COM (Daniel F. Fisher) (02/24/89)
In article <9369@louie.udel.EDU> new@udel.EDU (Darren New) writes: >. . . of the six or eight documents I have gotten from ANSI, >none have had a copyright notice anywhere within the text. . . . >they do indeed seem to be in the public domain, . . . >What page is the copyright notice on, if you have seen one? The two ANSI/IEEE documents I have in my office are copyright IEEE. Tne several ISO documents I have are copyright ISO. The CCITT Fascicles are copyright ITU. The ANSI catalogue is copyright ANSI. The ISO catalogue is copyright ISO. The ISO Bulletin for Dec. 86 does not have a copyright (at least not that I found `?^)~ ). Naturally, the international standards organizations use the circle-c and don't bother to say "copyright". So look carefully. I think you'll find that most of these standards are copyrighted. -- Daniel F. Fisher dff@morgan.com
shapiro@rb-dc1.UUCP (Mike Shapiro) (02/24/89)
In article <9369@louie.udel.EDU> new@udel.EDU (Darren New) writes: > >On the other hand, of the six or eight documents I have gotten from ANSI, >none have had a copyright notice anywhere within the text. I'll agree >that you can't get the docs from ANSI for free (usually around $35-$60 >for the ones I ordered) but they do indeed seem to be in the public domain, >meaning that they can be copied and redistributed without fee. >What page is the copyright notice on, if you have seen one? I just pulled an ANSI X3.9-1978 (FORTRAN) off the shelf and found the copyright notice on the back of the title page. (I suppose that would be page ii, although the front matter pages are not numbered.) -- Michael Shapiro, Gould/General Systems Division 15378 Avenue of Science, San Diego, CA 92128 (619)485-0910 UUCP: ...sdcsvax!ncr-sd!rb-dc1!shapiro
desnoyer@Apple.COM (Peter Desnoyers) (02/25/89)
My group has a partial set of the final reports to the Plenary Assembly for the Blue Book. We looked and were unable to find a copyright notice anywhere. This seems to imply that once we get the Blue Book, we can copy a standard from the final reports, but not the (not coincidentally) identical standard from the Blue Book. Please correct me if I am wrong. Peter Desnoyers
jhh@ihlpl.ATT.COM (Haller) (02/28/89)
In article <26323@apple.Apple.COM>, desnoyer@Apple.COM (Peter Desnoyers) writes: > This seems to imply that once we get the > Blue Book, we can copy a standard from the final reports, but not the > (not coincidentally) identical standard from the Blue Book. Please > correct me if I am wrong. The contents of the blue books will not necessarily be identical to the AP final reports. In the 1984 books, for example, the AP document had some mistakes in the description of closed user groups for X.25 (X.300, I believe), which was fixed in the Red books. The corrections are generally of an editorial nature, however. The AP documents can be freely distributed, however. John Haller