drew@genix.UUCP (04/03/84)
As a newuser I have a bunch of so far unanswer questions.
I am using some of them to illustrate the need for:
net.all.newuser
Moderated varies depending on newsgroup typically includes:
Name, etc. of moderator.
Brief statement of the purpose of the newsgroup.
Ground rules for this newsgroup.
How to get software discussed in this newsgroup:
who to contact, and
license requirments.
Is it possible to get the Berkeley mail or
the rand MH without a Bell source license?
I tried asking net.mail about replacing
v7 /bin/mail as a user interface. But there
are still unknowns.
Standard references required for discussion in this newsgroup:
what are they, and
how to obtain a copy.
I tried posting a request about how to get a copy of
RFC822 to net.mail.headers. The only response I got
was from someone in England, who asked me to share
what I found out. I don't know if my article failed
to make it thru the gateway to Arpanet or if Usenetters
are unwelcome in that discussion :-).
Gateways to other nets for this newsgroup:
technical and "legal" problems concerning:
how to post,
how to reply,
I have several news articles I would like to reply
to but don't know how to figure out a valid return
address from the header. readnews tries but fails.
is it possible to ftp from outside.
I have received suggestions to ftp "kermit" from
COLUMBIA-20.ARPA, but I don't how to do it from
here, or if I will get in a lot of trouble if I
find out.
Brief discussion to the newsgroups frequently asked questions.
Brief summary of the newsgroups dead horses.
All further discussion of these issues
should be restricted to:
net.all.deadhorses
Should be a welcome relief in MANY newsgroups.
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Drew Einhorn {csu-cs,gatech,lanl-a,parsec,pur-ee,ucbvax}!unmvax!genix!drew
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505/281-1122 505/898-9666alb@alice.UUCP (Adam L. Buchsbaum) (04/04/84)
I really hope you are not actually suggesting creating a .newuser subgroup for every group on the net? The software can't support it. It is also unnecessary.
mark@cbosgd.UUCP (Mark Horton) (04/05/84)
I find much of this article hard to parse, but I will attempt to answer the questions raised. net.all.newuser I gather this is a proposal for a newsgroup. We already have net.announce.newusers, which is intended to be the stuff that new users should read (plus the documentation itself which you are expected to get from your local news administrator). Moderated varies depending on newsgroup typically includes: Is this a request for a newsgroup list? Adam Buchbaum posts one regularly to net.news.group. Perhaps net.announce.newusers would also be appropriate. Name, etc. of moderator. There are currently only two. net.announce (and net.announce.newusers) is moderated by cbosgd!announce (e.g. me, Mark Horton); mod.ber is moderated by Brian Redman (gummo!ber). Brief statement of the purpose of the newsgroup. See Adam's list. Ground rules for this newsgroup. See "rules" article in net.announce.newusers. Only a few newsgroups are abused to the point where they actually have rules. How to get software discussed in this newsgroup: who to contact, and license requirments. This, of course, varies wildly. Usenet is mostly just a forum for discussion, not a software distribution service. Some software that is reasonable in size and put into the public domain is posted to net.sources. Otherwise you'll have to contact the author. Is it possible to get the Berkeley mail or Berkeley Mail, yes, if you can find someone willing to send it to you. It's public domain. the rand MH without a Bell source license? I'm unsure about MH - it used to be licensed but I think Rand has put it into the public domain on 4BSD (can someone who is sure comment?) Standard references required for discussion in this newsgroup: what are they, and how to obtain a copy. I tried posting a request about how to get a copy of RFC822 to net.mail.headers. The only response I got was from someone in England, who asked me to share what I found out. I don't know if my article failed to make it thru the gateway to Arpanet or if Usenetters are unwelcome in that discussion :-). A copy was posted to net.mail about 2 months ago. I gather you're newer than this. We have this problem all the time - there is a cycle time of 6-12 months after which some new user raises a question that has already been beaten to death. 822 is in the public domain, but there is no service set up to give out a copy whenever you want one. (You might try the SRI Network Information Center in Palo Alto, CA, however.) It is probably counterproductive to post copies of large documents like this repeatedly. Gateways to other nets for this newsgroup: technical and "legal" problems concerning: how to post, See the instructions you were supposed to get a copy of "How to Read the Network News". how to reply, I have several news articles I would like to reply to but don't know how to figure out a valid return address from the header. readnews tries but fails. In general, you have to know your way around the net. There is an effort underway (the "UUCP Project") to try to remedy this. But there isn't anything you can use yet. is it possible to ftp from outside. I have received suggestions to ftp "kermit" from COLUMBIA-20.ARPA, but I don't how to do it from here, or if I will get in a lot of trouble if I find out. No, there is no gateway from FTP (e.g. the ARPA Internet) to Usenet or UUCP that can do file transfer. There are obvious security reasons for this. If you can find someone on the ARPANET who is nice enough to retrieve a copy for you, fine, but there is no such service set up. Brief discussion to the newsgroups frequently asked questions. Brief summary of the newsgroups dead horses. See the "frequently asked questions" article on net.announce.newusers. Mark Horton