kwang@infmx.UUCP (Kwang Sung) (06/12/90)
>From: bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) wrote: >Sender: news@MorningStar.COM (USENET Administrator) >Organization: Morning Star Technologies Hi... Upon Bob's request, I would like to take a normal procedure in order to create a new newsgroup "comp.protocols.iso.migration" so that nobody can bother existing newsgroup either "comp.protocols.iso" or "comp.protocols. tcp-ip" any more. >if its regular readers were calling for help in the form of another, >more focused group and list (they aren't), then the group should be >called comp.protocols.iso.migration, in order to fit in with the >established naming structure. >I'd suggest you follow the common newsgroup creation procedure: set up >a mailing list, broadcast its existence to all appropriate, interested >forums (e.g. the existing ISO forums), and invite all interested >parties to join. When the traffic becomes too heavy for members' >mailboxes, you'll have a particularly strong case to call for a new >newsgroup. At that time, ask someone to help you set up a gateway >between your iso-migration list and the new c.p.i.m newsgroup. And >you have my permission, in advance, to say "I told you so" :-) >You have asked the folks there whether they're interested in >segmenting their discussions. From their responses, I see neither the >need or the mandate. First of all, this new newsgroup can be grouped by anybody who is interested in migration/transition to OSI. You may discuss any technical or non-technical issues on any protocols/strategies which might be helpful to migrate/transit to OSI world. Here are about 40 persons who responded to my postings so far. I would like to vote whether we need to create such a new newsgroup. Please vote, and e-mail either me or post temporarily at "comp.protocols.iso", NOT at "comp.protocols.tcp-ip". After I collect those info, I will re-post the result at both "comp.protocols.iso" and "comp.protocols.tcp-ip". Here is the mailing list, and if you are interested in joining this new newsgroup, please vote. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) goldstein@carafe.enet.dec.com (Fred R. Goldstein) oberman@rogue.llnl.gov cperry@STARBASE.MITRE.ORG (Chris Perry) Amit Parghi <uunet!watmath!watcgl.waterloo.edu!aparghi> Bill Streilein <nsc!wellfleet.com!bstreile> CLIFF@UCBCMSA (Cliff Frost {415} 642-5360) uunet!elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov!david (David Robinson) dennis@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Dennis Ferguson) Stef@NRTC.NORTHROP.COM (Einar Stefferud) uunet!proteon.com!gmalkin (Gary Scott Malkin(GONE)) grieve@cos.com (David Grieve) uunet!wrs!yuba!hwajin (Hwa Jin Bae) att!lzaz!jer jessop@rlgvax.OPCR.ICL.COM (Lynn Jessop) uunet!unx.dec.com!jjf (8N8-FRANEY) nsc!asylum.sf.ca.us!karl (Karl Auerbach) keith@excelan.COM (Keith Brown) Hakiml Laraqui <uunet!sics.se!laraqui> ncr-sd!ncrcae!lhybl louie@SAYSHELL.UMD.EDU (Louis A. Mamakos) uunet!uu.psi.com!schoff (Martin L. Schoffstall) David Hayes <uunet!csvax.seas.smu.edu!merlin> uunet!ukc.ac.uk!mhs mrose@CHEETAH.NYSER.NET (Marshall Rose) vaillan@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Clement Vaillancourt) nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) richardt@Legato.COM saunders@gesundheit.West.Sun.Com (Gene Saunders) schoff@PSI.COM ("Martin Lee Schoffstall") Einar Stefferud <voder!ucbvax!nrtc.northrop.com!Stef> Steven Willis <nsc!amdahl!ames!harvard!talcott!wellflt!swillis> torben@FORALIE.ICS.HAWAII.EDU (Torben Nielsen) uunet!sacto.West.Sun.COM!sparc2!ts (Troy Schumaker) amanda@mermaid.intercon.com (Amanda Walker) curt@dtix.dt.navy.mil (Welch) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >In summary, we should continue discussing migration issues in the >existing forum. When the popular mandate arises for a new forum, >create it as a mailing list. When the mailing list becomes too busy, >establish a gateway to a newsgroup named comp.protocols.iso.migration. Thanks, Bob... and, from my previous postings, I would like to apologize to some persons, if they felt hurt from me. I am sure this new newsgroup will resolve our networking future, and will give us a right direction. Thanks. Kwang Sung Informix Software, Inc. 4100 Bohannon Dr. Menlo Park, CA 94025 415 / 926 - 6758 (O) UUCP: ...!uunet!infmx!kwang -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: Those opinions are mine alone, not my employers'.
stef@BRL.MIL (Einar Stefferud, Consultant|mike) (06/13/90)
I note that you have included me twice in your "mailinglist". Did you count me as for or against a new list? To make sure you have me recorded correctly, I am stef@nrtc.northrop.com, inspite of now apperaing to be stef@brl.mil. Also, you should record me a wanting to keep the discussion in ISO.NIC.DDN.MIL and not to create Yet Another New Group and Mailinglist! What I fear is that we will just wind up sending copies to both the ISO list and the new TRANSITON list, so we will have lots of duplicate mail if we are on both. Best...\Stef
kwang@infmx.UUCP (Kwang Sung) (06/14/90)
Dear Mr. Bob Sutterfield:
Now I would like to finalize my proposal on creation of a new
newsgroup "comp.protocols.iso.migration".
Here is a list of all persons who have responded to my postings
so far as of 11:00 PST, June 13, 1990. They voted with a serious mind.
I've collected the info to make a decision for all of us.
Obviously, majority wanted to create such a newsgroup on USENET.
Among 54, 30 said "Yes", 17 said "No", and 7 were not clear.
Since there are many companies who are interested in migration/
transition to OSI without having Internet connection, I proposed such a
newsgroup on USENET. I hope we can have always close relationships with
already existing groups such as X3S3.3 (the ANSI group for network and
transport layers), IETF-OSI.
This new newsgroup will discuss any technical or non-technical
issues on any protocols/strategies even besides TCP/IP which might be
helpful to migrate/transit to OSI world.
As I've mentioned earlier, I am sure this newsgroup will resolve
our networking future, and will give us a right direction to OSI.
So, could you create a new newsgroup "comp.protocols.iso.migration"
as soon as possible so that we can discuss seriously and aggressively,
and nobody can bother either "comp.protocols.iso" or "comp.protocols.tcp-ip"
any more ??
Thank you for your help !!
Kwang Sung
Informix Software, Inc.
4100 Bohannon Dr.
Menlo Park, CA 94025
415 / 926 - 6758 (O)
UUCP: ...!uunet!infmx!kwang
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Persons who have responded to my proposal so far: Vote:
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uunet!YKTVMX.BITNET!YAKOV Tue Jun 12 08:15:38 1990 Yes
uunet!SPD.3Mail.3Com.COM!Allen_Rochkind Yes
Amit Parghi <uunet!watcgl.waterloo.edu!aparghi> No
bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) Yes
Bill Streilein <nsc!wellfleet.com!bstreile> ?
cire|eric <uunet!cisco.com!cire> No
CLIFF@UCBCMSA (Cliff Frost {415} 642-5360) ?
cperry@STARBASE.MITRE.ORG (Chris Perry) Yes
uunet!elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov!david (David Robinson) ?
uunet!Eng.Sun.COM!dawei (David Yang) Yes
uunet!East.Sun.COM!db (David Brownell) No
dennis@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Dennis Ferguson) ?
Stef@NRTC.NORTHROP.COM (Einar Stefferud) No
uunet!gateway.mitre.org!epg Yes
Erik Skovgaard <uunet!uvcw.uvic.ca!eskovgaa> Yes
James M Galvin <uunet!TIS.COM!galvin> Yes
ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) No
goldstein@carafe.enet.dec.com (Fred R. Goldstein) Yes
grieve@cos.com (David Grieve) Yes
uunet!wrs!yuba!hwajin (Hwa Jin Bae) No
att!lzaz!jer Yes
uunet!rlgvax.OPCR.ICL.COM!jessop (Lynn Jessop) ?
uunet!unx.dec.com!jjf (John J. Franey) Yes
nsc!asylum.sf.ca.us!karl (Karl Auerbach) No
keith@excelan.COM (Keith Brown) No
uunet!gateway.mitre.org!kit Yes
uunet!infmx!kwang (Kwang Sung) Yes
Hakiml Laraqui <uunet!sics.se!laraqui> ?
louie@SAYSHELL.UMD.EDU (Louis A. Mamakos) Yes
David Hayes <uunet!csvax.seas.smu.edu!merlin> No
mrose@CHEETAH.NYSER.NET (Marshall Rose) No
Russ Nelson <uunet!sun.soe.clarkson.edu!nelson> No
oberman@rogue.llnl.gov Yes
uunet!gateway.mitre.org!patb (Pat Blankenship) Yes
karn@ka9q.bellcore.com (Phil Karn) Yes
richardt@Legato.COM Yes
saunders@gesundheit.West.Sun.Com (Gene Saunders) Yes
schoff@PSI.COM ("Martin Lee Schoffstall") Yes
Einar Stefferud <voder!ucbvax!nrtc.northrop.com!Stef> Yes
Steven Willis <nsc!amdahl!ames!harvard!talcott!wellflt!swillis> Yes
torben@FORALIE.ICS.HAWAII.EDU (Torben Nielsen) No
uunet!sacto.West.Sun.COM!sparc2!ts (Troy Schumaker) Yes
amanda@mermaid.intercon.com (Amanda Walker) No
curt@dtix.dt.navy.mil (Welch) Yes
<uunet!bigfut.enet.dec.com!callon> ?
David Hayes <uunet!csvax.seas.smu.edu!merlin> No
uunet!rti.rti.org!mystie.rtp.dg.com!don%xyzzy (Don Lehman) No
"Doug McCallum" <nsc!ico.isc.com!dougm> No
uunet!netwrx1!graham Yes
uunet!mlb.semi.harris.com!jdr (Jim Ray) No
uunet!VitaM6!marciano (Marciano Pitargue) Yes
JM Bennett <uunet!watmath!ria.ccs.uwo.ca!csd.uwo.ca!mike> Yes
nsc!cs.UMD.EDU!pete (Pete Cottrell) Yes
nsc!gateway.mitre.org!reichlen Yes
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Disclaimer: Those opinions are mine alone, not my employers'.eskovgaa@UVCW.UVIC.CA (Erik Skovgaard) (06/14/90)
I agree with Stef.
My vote was not for, but if you choose to move some of the ISO
discussions to another list, I would like to also receive the
postings on that list.
Please correct my vote.
....Erik.towfiq@interlan.Interlan.COM (Mark Towfigh) (06/16/90)
In article <4488@infmx.UUCP> kwang@infmx.UUCP (Kwang Sung) writes:
Now I would like to finalize my proposal on creation of a new
newsgroup "comp.protocols.iso.migration".
Gaah!
Here is a list of all persons who have responded to my postings
[.....]
Obviously, majority wanted to create such a newsgroup on USENET.
Among 54, 30 said "Yes", 17 said "No", and 7 were not clear.
I think this may have been proper procedure in 1982.
[.....]
So, could you create a new newsgroup "comp.protocols.iso.migration"
as soon as possible so that we can discuss seriously and aggressively,
and nobody can bother either "comp.protocols.iso" or "comp.protocols.tcp-ip"
any more ??
Bother the people directly involved in this issue?
Persons who have responded to my proposal so far:
[list deleted]
This is ridiculous. Comp.protocols.iso *maybe* had about two articles
a day in it before this "proposal" came up, and it jumped to a
whopping five after that. I see *no reason* for the creation of a new
newsgroup, especially since the normal procedures for group creation
have been disregarded, or garbled at best.
Kwang: read news.announce.newusers. I think you would probably
realize from there that there is *no need* for an ISO migration group;
relevant articles can just be crossposted to
comp.protocols.{iso,tcp-ip}.
Mark
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