mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> (06/02/91)
RESULTS: YES votes: 370 NO votes: 35 This satisfies the requirements for newsgroup creation. (That is, "2/3 majority in favour" and "100 more yes votes than no votes".) Below is the charter and a list of all votes received. PURPOSE/CHARTER: comp.human-factors To provide a forum for discussion of general issues relating to human-computer interaction (HCI) and human factors. HCI is an extremely broad topic. Examples of possible subjects for discussion include: * Design of keyboards, mice, joysticks. * Choice of command names and parameter syntax, and the effect on the number of mistakes users make. * Design of effective symbols for communicating information. * Control relations for scroll bars, switches and so on. * Use of Agents for representing semi-autonomous processes. * Use of colour in user interface design. * Methods for prototyping user interfaces. * How to evaluate the effectiveness of a user interface. * Designing effective dialogues for interactive programs. * Possible new forms of feedback -- sound, smell, touch. * Customizability vs. stability. At present, such discussions are scattered amongst the existing comp.* groups. STATUS OF NEWSGROUP: unmoderated YES votes were received from the following people: -------------------------------------------------- "Adel S. Alnaji" <alnaji@enuxha.eas.asu.edu> "Amir Rahat - ICT (haifa" <rahat@ilw122.intel.com> "Ana I. Anton" <anton@cc.gatech.edu> "Andrew Gilmartin, CIS" <andrew@brownvm.brown.edu> "Andrew M. Cohill" <COHILL@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu> "Anita K. Wrentmore" <awrentmo@dcsc.dla.mil> "Bryan S. So" <so@cs.wisc.edu> "Carl J.M. Alexander" <cjeff@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu> "Carolyn P. Banda" <banda@eos.arc.nasa.gov> "Douglas W. Johnson" <doug@aer.com> "Dr. Harry Delugach" <delugach@cs.uah.edu> "e.familant" <efam@nvuxr.uucp> "Edward P. Costello" <ec1k+@andrew.cmu.edu> "Ellen P. Francik" <epfran1@pbhyg.pacbell.com> "Frank C. Christofferson" <fcc@ssi.uucp> "George V. Reilly" <gvr@cs.brown.edu> "James W. Durkin" <jwd@cs.brown.edu> "Joan M. Winters" <WINTERS@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu> "John B. Melby" <melby@daffy.yk.fujitsu.co.jp> "John M. Gendron" <jmg@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> "Josef G. Schreiner" <jgs@camis.stanford.edu> "Krishna E. Bera" <kebera@alzabo.ocunix.on.ca> "L. D. (Skip) Green" <lgreen@bbn.com> "Lawrence A. Welsch" <welsch@ose.ncsl.nist.gov> "Lee L.J. Chen" <lchen@cs.ubc.ca> "LEE,MARK D" <gt2634a@prism.gatech.edu> "Marian Williams - williams@ulowell.edu" <williamsm@raven.ulowell.edu> "Michael L. Kaufman" <kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu> "Neal P. Murphy" <ivory!murphyn@motcid.uucp> "Pei Y. Wei" <wei@scam.berkeley.edu> "R.J. Stroud" <R.J.Stroud@newcastle.ac.uk> "Ralph W. Hyre" <rhyre@cinoss1.att.com> "RICHARD POLLARD <POLLARD@UTKVX.BITNET>" <POLLARD@utkvx.utk.edu> "Robert A. Levene" <levene@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> "Robert Chur [Sun Denver SE]" <chur@sunpeaks.central.sun.com> "Robert T. Herbst" <herbst@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> "Roger A. Sumey" <ras@aplexus.jhuapl.edu> "Samuel P. Uselton" <uselton@wk207.nas.nasa.gov> "Stephen R. Smoot" <smoot@postgres.berkeley.edu> "TEEMU J. M|TT|NEN" <TMOTTONEN@cc.helsinki.fi> "Tyson R. Henry" <henry@cs.arizona.edu> abowd@minster.york.ac.uk akm@cs.uoregon.edu Alexios Zavras <zvr@theseas.uucp> Amy Price <aprice@potomac.ads.com> anders@deakin.oz.au Andrea Gallagher <andreag@juliet.caltech.edu> Andreas Raab <ar@nvmr.radig.de> andrew bridge <a.bridge@trl.oz.au> Andrew Patrick <andrew@calvin.doc.ca> Andrew Potter <andrew@entropy.ingr.ingr.com> Andrzej Zawadzki <fil@demon.siemens.com> Antonella Ceroni <ceroni@cs.unibo.it> Antonin Sprinzl <sl@esisun2.tuwien.ac.at> Arnold Robbins <arnold@audiofax.com> Arthur Radford Ext 2779 - CSM Lecturer <as_radfo@g2.brispoly.ac.uk> Arthur S Kamlet <ask@cblph.att.com> Ash Nallawalla VK3CIT <ash@mlacus> Astrid Beck <beck@farbix.uucp> ath@linkoping.telesoft.se Barbara Chalfonte <ephs@thumper.bellcore.com> Bert Bos <bert@let.rug.nl> BERTRAND IBRAHIM <IBRAHIM@uni2a.unige.ch> Bill Cavnar <cavnar@etd4260a.erim.org> bill killam <bkillam@ccels3.mitre.org> bill@banana.fedex.com Bo.Helgeson@arb.luth.se Bob Braudes <braudes@seas.gwu.edu> Bob Miner 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<lon@cwi.nl> Lonnie Smith <smithh@atc.boeing.com> loreto@sarin.it lukose@deakin.oz.au Lyle Seaman <lws@sununix.comm.wang.com> Lynda Hardman <lynda@cwi.nl> mackeown@acrc.bristol.ac.uk Manfred Jebram <mjebram@einoed.in-berlin.de> Marcus Gustafsson/TOTY <mgustaf@toty.uucp> margot@spex.nl MARJAN@otago.ac.nz Mark Brader <msb@sq.com> Mark Johns <markj@amc.com> Mark Lanzo <atesysv!lanzo@uunet.uucp> Mark Notessmhn <mhn@hpfcmhn> Mark Sicignano <mark@hsi86.hsi.com> marken@aerospace.aero.org Mary Margaret Schuck <schuck@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca> Matt McGranaghan <matt@thrush.umesve.maine.edu> Matthew Freedman <mattf@cac.washington.edu> mayoka@csgrad.cs.vt.edu md wilson <m1wilson@medusa.ua.oz.au> Michael Fuller <msf@wren.cs.rmit.oz.au> Michael Muller <michael@ctt.bellcore.com> Michael Sneeringer <la097393@zach.fit.edu> Michael Van Riper <michael_van_riper@gateway.qm.apple.com> Michael VanHilst <vanhilst@cs.washington.edu> Michael.Gleicher@oreo.graphics.cs.cmu.edu Michele Evard <mevard@cs.uoregon.edu> Michele Morris <M.E.Morris@stl.stc.co.uk> Mike Vidlak <auvvidl@auvsun1.tamu.edu> MikeSummers@cup.portal.com Mott Given <ntm1169@dsac.dla.mil> Nadia Pitacco (Morgaine) <modus!simm!polluce!morgaine@rutgers.edu> nbvs@cl.cam.ac.uk neeri@iis.ethz.ch New Wave Dave <DAMATT01@ulkyvx.earn> Nicholas Tarnoff <tarnoff@cme.nist.gov> Nick Pilch <nicky@apple.com> ogden@nmsu.edu Paivi Helena Hyvarinen <Paivi.Hyvarinen@hut.fi> Pat McGee <jpm@spectrum.lanl.gov> Patricia O Tuama <rissa@gargoyle.uchicago.edu> Paul Bandler <paulb@mlacus> Paul Mullins <mullins@cs.pitt.edu> Paul Teich <pteich@cayman.amd.com> Paul-Andre Panon <panon@ucs.ubc.ca> paulA@minster.york.ac.uk Peggy Shepard <shepard@retina.mitre.org> Peter Barnes <pdb@cs.uq.oz.au> Peter Santangeli <psantangeli@alias.com> Peter Wayner <wayner@cs.cornell.edu> peterr@syacus.acus.oz.au Phil Weiss <weiss872@snake.cs.uidaho.edu> Philip Craig <philipc@runx.oz.au> Philip Reese <preese@skat.usc.edu> Pierre Gauvin <pgauvin@ncs.dnd.ca> pshuang@athena.mit.edu Rama Krishna <ramki@shakti.ernet.in> Ray Smith <rcsmith@anagld.analytics.com> Renato Iannella <ren@kowande.sics.bu.oz.au> Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu> Rich Schlegelmilch <richs@dickens.lerc.nasa.gov> Richard Bartels <rhbartel@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> Richard Hintz <OPSRJH@uccvma.ucop.edu> Richard Johnson <johnsonr@horton.colorado.edu> richard@syacus.acus.oz.au Rick Ebert <rick@ipac.caltech.edu> Rick Innis <rick@cstr.ed.ac.uk> Rita Altamore <altamore@milton.u.washington.edu> Rob Procter <rnp@lfcs.ed.ac.uk> Robert Lee <rlee@nanko.digital.co.jp> Robin Fairbairns on LSL cluster <robin@lsl.co.uk> Rod Rebello -- CAD Development <rrebello@titan.uucp> Ron Westfall <westfal@mprgate.mpr.ca> rothstei@mcs.kent.edu Roy Chester <roy@mlacus> Ruth Thomas <rct@eng.cam.ac.uk> rv01 <@gte.com:rv01@harvey> s8922128@mackay.mqcs.mq.oz.au SALewis@lbl.gov Sandy Ressler <ressler@cme.nist.gov> Sandy Wise <sandy@snoopy.cs.umass.edu> Scot Kamins <kamins@kumr.lns.com> Scott Overmyer <overmyer@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> Scott Raney <raney@yertle.colorado.edu> Scott Schneider <sas@sgihbtn.uucp> scottn@attunix.uucp sdd@cs.aber.ac.uk Sean Philip Engelson <engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu> Selmer Moen <moen@plains.nodak.edu> sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk shah <@uunet.uu.net:shah@sunfs> SHAHRSHAHR <SHAHR@dev3c> Sharon Hopkins <sharon@devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> Siegurd Weber <saw@telecdn.uucp> SILL D E <de5@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Simon Harriss <simonh@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> sjb@hound.uucp Skip Osborne <osborne@software.org> song@minster.york.ac.uk spf@cbnewsl.att.com SSWIERENGA@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Stefan Merten <merten@informatik.uni-kl.de> Stephan Richter <richter@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de> Stephen R Acker <sacker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> STEPHEN TICE <B645ZAW@utarlg.uta.edu> Steve Loughran <slo@hpl.hp.co.uk> Steve Luis <luiss@fiu.edu> Steve Nazimiec <nazimiec@bigmax.uucp> Steve Watt <steve@wattres.uucp> Steven Teal <st0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subodh Bapat <bapat@rm1.uucp> Susan Cohen <susan@beppe.ericsson.se> susan e mcdaniel <mcdanies@debussy.cs.colostate.edu> Taehan Weon <weon@dino.media.co.kr> Ted Sarbin <ted@cs.unr.edu> Ted Stockwell <ted@aps1.spa.umn.edu> teresafe@microsoft.uucp Terry Raymond <raymond!terry@galaxia.newport.ri.us> Thom Gillespie <thom@garnet.berkeley.edu> Thor Henning Hjorth <FAFOR@nobergen.earn> Thorsten Fox <fox@gmdzi.uucp> Tim Love <tpl@eng.cam.ac.uk> Tim Prinzing <tim@or.mobdig.com> Todd.Kaufmann@paris.mt.cs.cmu.edu Tom Sarver <tsarver@andersen.uucp> Tom Smith <toms@utoday.com> Tomasz Muldner <solid@aucs.acadiau.ca> Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk> Ulf Sundin <ulf@gbg.infolog.se> Valerie Florance <vf@welchlab.welch.jhu.edu> vancleef@iastate.edu vicki halliwell <vicki@kelso.rsmas.miami.edu> Walter Maner <maner@andy.bgsu.edu> warack@zip.eecs.umich.edu Warwick Allison <warwick@cs.uq.oz.au> WHP_vHulzen@pttrnl.nl wiseb@cs.rpi.edu NO votes were received from the following people: ------------------------------------------------- "Dave V. Schaller" <schaller@hsi86.hsi.com> "Richard H. Miller" <rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu> "Robert S. Wood" <rob@genrad.com> Alex Kirlik <kirlik@chmsr.gatech.edu> Arne Henrik Juul <arnej@lise.unit.no> Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com> Bob Kass <kass@cmi.com> Brian Matthews <blm@6sceng.uucp> Carl Rigney <cdr@amd.com> Clark Quinn <quinn@unix.cis.pitt.edu> David Robinson <david@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> Gary Perlman <perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu> goehring@mentor.cc.purdue.edu Harald Nordg}rd-Hansen <hhansen@siri.unit.no> Jack@mcsun.uucp, Schryver@mcsun.eu.net Kjetil Wiekhorst J|rgensen <jorgens@lise.unit.no> kr@inf.rl.ac.uk Leonard Peirce <peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu> Neil Rickert <rickert@cs.niu.edu> Norman Yarvin <yarvin-norman@cs.yale.edu> Phil Spelt <sfp@mars.epm.ornl.gov> punisher@daimi.aau.dk riander@pacbell.uucp Robert Craig Harman <rcharman@phoenix.princeton.edu> Robin Lampert <lampert@csmil.umich.edu> Roger Lighty <ral@hydra.jpl.nasa.gov> Shan Soeng (CS) <soeng@sunrise.ec.usf.edu> Shari Feldman <shari@cc.gatech.edu> Special Agent Dale Cooper <shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu> Steve Hirtle <hirtle@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Steve Lusk <FSLDEX@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil> Steven Furr <furr@mdavcr.uucp> Stewart Evans <stewarte@scol.uucp> Tim Ramsey <tar@math.ksu.edu> TS_Taylor@um.cc.umich.edu Multiple identical votes were received from the following people: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Bandler <paulb@mlacus> Lon Barfield <lon@cwi.nl> Bill Cavnar <cavnar@etd4260a.erim.org> johndan johnson-eilola <JEILOLA@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu> Nadia Pitacco <modus!simm!polluce!root@rutgers.edu> / Nadia Pitacco (Morgaine) <modus!simm!polluce!morgaine@rutgers.edu> david pratt <pratt@suns2.cs.nps.navy.mil> "Dave V. Schaller" <schaller@hsi86.hsi.com> Paul Teich <pteich@cayman.amd.com> These multiple identical votes were counted as single votes (see YES and NO lists above) Both YES and NO votes were received from: ----------------------------------------- Stephen Viller <viller@sa.co.umist.ac.uk> Both were ignored. Don't worry, Stephen, we all have off days. :-) Anonymous votes were received from: ----------------------------------- System <root@ttsi.lonestar.org> This vote was ignored. (I looked for votes from root, usenet, system, postmaster, sysop and guest.) Comments: --------- Vote-counting used awk to look for lines containing both "vote" and "yes" or both "vote" and "no". A log of matched lines was kept and checked manually for non-obvious phrasings such as "If you think I'm going to vote YES for your newsgroup, you're mad". There weren't any :-) Naturally the script was careful to report only one vote per message received, and votes not parsed by awk were checked manually. Next I tried to remove duplicates and anonymous votes. If anyone spots large numbers of duplicates which I missed, please let me know. Votes from Tony, John and Jonathan at this site were, of course, uncoerced; and JC and I decided not to vote. The voting was pretty overwhelming, so I think it's safe to say that the newsgroup passed. See you there! mathew