[comp.protocols.kermit] Info-Kermit Digest V6 #13

SY.CHRISTINE@CU20B.COLUMBIA.EDU (Christine M Gianone) (06/24/87)

Info-Kermit Digest         Wed, 24 Jun 1987       Volume 6 : Number 13

Today's Topics:

                       Kermit Paper Newsletter V1 #2
                  QK-KERMIT Version 2.7 Tek4010 Emulation
                  New Commodore Kermit (version 2.0) files
                         DECmate CP/M Kermit fixes
                        F11 & 12 on new AT keyboards
                       Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 2.29C
                         Bugs in Apollo Kermit 2.8
             Bug in Mac Kermit 0.8(034) Using 2-byte Checksums
                    Kermit with Tek emulation (MSTIBT.*)
                   Missing files for Apple II UCSD Kermit?
                            Apple 2e/CPM/Kermit?
                            Kermit for HPUX 5.1?
                         Unix Kermit in Background?
                                HP-150 Kermit?

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Date: Mon 15 Jun 87 12:21:33-EDT
From: Christine M Gianone <SY.CHRISTINE@CU20B.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject: Kermit Paper Newsletter V1 #2
Keywords: Kermit Paper Newsletter

The Kermit Distribution group at Columbia University Center for Computing
Activities are in the process of preparing V1 #2 of the Kermit Newsletter
(V1 #1 appeared last July).  In addition to giving the non-network-connected
world news about the latest Kermit versions, we'd also like to publish some
articles from Kermit users all over the world who are putting Kermit to good
(and possibly interesting or unusual) uses.  We would be especially
interested in stories about how Kermit is used to somehow benefit humanity
(or other creatures), or to foster international cooperation, to make life
easier for the disabled, etc etc.  For many, Kermit is used for mundane
purposes like saving money.  We'd like to hear about that too.  Although we
distribute Kermit programs to thousands of sites, and probably millions of
users, we get very little feedback on how Kermit is actually used.  We'd
like to get this kind of news in any form, at any time, but if you'd like to
see it published in the Kermit Newsletter, please send it soon, and keep the
article fairly short (say 100-500 words).

Also, if anyone has any semi-technical general-interest contributions to make,
e.g. using Kermit over LANs, or through public networks, etc, these would also
be most welcome.

Whether you wish to contribute or not, you can be added to the subscriber
list by sending your mailing address to Info-Kermit@CU20B, or to Kermit
Newsletter, Columbia University, 612 West 115th Street, New York, NY 10025
USA.  This process won't be necessary if you received the first issue, or if
you've ever ordered Kermit material from us by mail, in which cases you're
already on the list.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 87 11:29 EDT
From: VIC%QUCDN.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu
Subject: QK-KERMIT Version 2.7 Tek4010 Emulation
Keywords: QK-Kermit

An updated version of QK-KERMIT v2.7 which provides tek4010 emulation is now
available.  This version does not require the use of Turbo Graphic toolbox and
it does not require overlays.  Most of the problems, questions and difficulty
in using QK-kermit 2.6 were related to the toolbox and overlays, so this should
mean v2.7 should be a much easier simpler version to implement and use.  Only
the CGA version is ready.  Hercules and EGA versions will be coming later.

                        Victor Lee
                        (613)-545-2033
                        bitnet :  VIC@QUCDN

[Ed. - Thanks, Victor!  The new release is in KER:QK*.* on CU20B, available
with anonymous FTP, and on CUVMA as QK* * for BITNET KERMSRV access.  The new
release includes IBM PC and Kaypro II support, Apple II support will come
a bit later.]

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 87 23:31:14 EST
From: "Ray Moody" <aij@j.cc.purdue.edu>
Subject: New Commodore Kermit (version 2.0) files
Keywords: Commodore Kermit

    Two new files have been submited to CU20B for distribution.

    C64V2.HEX is the hex file that everyone has been waiting for!  It can
be de-hexed with C64DXL, which is the same program that de-hexes Kermit1.7.
Instructions are available in section 4.3 of C64KER.DOC.

    C64V2.INI is a basic program that can be run to create a kermit.ini file
that will work with Kermit version 2.0.  Most version 1.7 init files will work
with kermit V2, however, there are some that will not.

    As always, I welcome suggestions for improvements and bug reports.

					Ray Moody
					 ihnp4!pur-ee!j.cc.purdue.edu!aij
					 aij@j.cc.purdue.edu
					 moody@purccvm.BITNET

[Ed. - Thanks Ray!  These files have been put in KER:C64V2.HEX and
KER:C64V2.INI available using FTP to CU20B, user ANONYMOUS (any password) or
through BITNET using KERMSRV.  This message is in KER:C64V2.HLP.]

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Date: 16 Jun 87 15:43:21
From: Charles J. Lasner (OC.LASNER@CU20B)
Subject: DECmate CP/M Kermit fixes
Keywords: DECmate Kermit

The latest version of KERMIT-80 for the DECMATE II, III, III-PLUS version of
CP/M-80 (version 4.05) will not properly work when attempting a connection
between the DECMATE and a remote half-duplex KERMIT such as CMS-KERMIT.

This is due to the default action of the 6120 processor within the DECMATE
which does all i/o for the Z80. All occurrences of XON/XOFF (aka <^S>/<^Q>
or DC1/DC3) are eaten by the 6120 for flow control purposes which is
normally not a problem.

When connected to a half-duplex KERMIT such as CMS-KERMIT, the XON (<^Q>)
character is used to formally turn around the line.  Since the 6120 absorbs
all such characters, KERMIT-80 hangs when attempting this (retrying with
<CR> will actually work slowly!).

a/o this writing, this problem also exists with DECMATE II MS-DOS KERMIT, so
a work-around is imperative.

A partial fix is available in the files: CP4DMF.ASM, .HEX, and CP4DMU.ASM,
.HEX.  Each program comes with a short help (.HLP) file to explain its
operation.

[Ed. - Thanks, Charles!  The new files are installed in KER:CP4DMF.*
and KER:CP4DMU.* on CU20B for anonymous FTP access, and also on CUVMA
for BITNET KERMSRV access (as CP4DMF * and CP4DMU *).]

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Date: Thu 18 Jun 1987 18:43:27 CDT
From: Mark S. Zinzow <Markz@Uiucvmd>
Subject: F11 & 12 on new AT keyboards
Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit

The program to activate scan codes in the Info-IBMPC Digest V6#45 works fine
with MS-Kermit 2.29B in allowing the definition of function keys F11 and
F12.  If you don't already subscribe to I-IBMPC on our listserv, you can
find the digest on LISTSERV 193 in the file I-IBMPC 87-00052.  The digest
entry is self explanatory, but for those who find downloading easier than
debug or MASM, I've put F11F12.COM on our kermit disk in binary form.

I would suggest executing F11F12 in your AUTOEXEC.BAT file so that it's
always installed when you wish to run kermit.
Then all you need to do is modify your 7171KEYS.DEF file.  Here is an
example that I've tacked on the end of mine (7171ADD F11 on the kermit disk):
;
; Additional definitions for use with F11F12.COM
; PF11 assigned to F11
set key scan 133
\033-
; PF12 assigned to F12
set key scan 134
\033=
; PF21 assigned to shift F11
set key scan 647
\033o
; PF22 assigned to shift F12
set key scan 648
\033p

Some of you may prefer to redefine all the shift codes to PF13-PF24, but
I prefer to remain consistent with the 10 key definitions.

[Ed. - Thanks!  The Kermit key definition mechanism will change in the
forthcoming release (2.30 -- see next message), but the mechanism for
activating the F11 and F12 keys may still be useful.]

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Date: Mon 15 Jun 87 12:21:33-EDT
From: Christine M Gianone <SY.CHRISTINE@CU20B.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 2.29C
Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit 2.29C

MS-DOS Kermit 2.29C is now available for testing on the IBM PC, Zenith
100/200, the NEC APC III, HP-150, HP-110 and Portable Plus (untested), and
Grid Compass (also untested).  A generic version is also available.  The
.BOO files are in KER:MST*.BOO and descriptions of the updates can be found
in MSR29C.UPD.  The sources are not yet available because they are still
undergoing last-minute revisions.  Thanks to Joe Doupnik of Utah State
University for all his time and effort.  Please test this version on your
system and report the results, so that we might be able to announce MS-DOS
2.30 soon.

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Date: 8-JUN-1987 14:20:28
From:  JDLee1@UK.AC.LOUGHBOROUGH.MULTICS
Via: SYSKERMIT%vax1.central.lancaster.ac.uk@Cs.Ucl.AC.UK
Subject: Bugs in Apollo Kermit 2.8

Two problems/bugs that I have come across with apollo kermit 2.8 First, the
apollo seems to store ascii files with just a newline between records, and
apollo kermit 2.8 does not map newline into CR LF when sending files.
However it does the correct translation when receiving files.  Second,
apollo kermit 2.8 does not correctly implement 8 bit prefixing.  If the
other system says that it cannot 8 bit prefix it puts an N in the packet in
place of the 8 bit prefix character requested by apollo 2.8 This is wrongly
interpreted by apollo kermit as a request to use the N character as the
prefix character with the result that all N characters in the file become
Control-N at the destination file.

Tim Lee Pafec Ltd, Strelley Hall, Strelley, Nottingham
phone 0602 390649 ext 556

[Ed. - Thanks for the report.  It's been added to the "beware file" for
Apollo Kermit.  Any volunteers to fix and test it?]

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Date: 10-JUN-1987 17:35:59
From: DB_WILSON@UK.AC.OPEN.ACS.VAX
Subject: Bug in Mac Kermit 0.8(034) Using 2-byte Checksums
Keywords: MacKermit

I have found a problem using Macintosh Kermit with two byte checksums when the
data packet can have bytes with the eighth bit set. The resulting checksum is
consistent with such bytes being negative in the range -128 to -1, i.e. bytes
are treated as signed -128..127 rather than unsigned 0..255. The Kermit book
makes it clear (c.f. page 224) that the latter is correct.

The workaround is easy - don't use two byte checksums for binary files.

Regards,
David.

[Ed. - Thanks for the report, which we've added to the Mac Kermit "beware
file."  The problem will be looked at in the next release of C-Kermit.]

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 87  14:09 EDT
From: Walter Bourne <WMBSC@CUVMA>
Subject: Kermit with Tek emulation (MSTIBT.*)
Keywords: Tek Emulation

I have run into two problems with the Tek emulation.  The first is that it
displays certain characters meant as padding.  SAS/Graph, for instance,
sends a string of ^V's (hex 16) after the clear command.  These appear as
small blocks half the normal character height across the top of the page.
The bell SAS rings at the end of the plot is also displayed as a triangle
pointing right.  There are sometimes what looks like part of a Tek vector
command printed in the upper left after the bell.

The second problem is that it loses some data when filling large areas
solidly at higher baud rates (over 1800).  SAS, running on an IBM CMS
system, apparently uses no handshaking and the close spacing of the vectors
doesn't allow the program to catch up during the move portion of the
command????

  Walter Bourne,
  Ass't Director
  Center for the Social Sciences
  420 West 118 St., Rm 814 SIA
  New York, NY   10027
  Tel: 212-280-3038

[Ed. - Thanks for the report, Walter.  It's been forwarded to the developers
and added to the (previously nonexistent) MSTIBT.BWR file.]

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Date: 17-JUN-1987 11:23:37
From: SYSKERMIT%vax1.central.lancaster.ac.uk@Cs.Ucl.AC.UK
Subject: Missing files for Apple II UCSD Kermit?
Keywords: Apple II Kermit

We need a version of UCSD Kermit on an Apple II for getting some files off an
Apple II onto a PC Clone. I've downloaded the sources, but can't track down a
copy of SYSTEM.ATTACH and ATTACHUD.  Do you have these, or does anyone know
where they can be obtained? 

Chris Murphy
Computer Centre
Oxford Polytechnic

[Ed. - Any users of UCSD Pascal Kermit on the Apple II out there who can help?]

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Date: 15 Jun 87 19:48:08 GMT
From: samples@renoir.Berkeley.EDU (A. Dain Samples)
Subject: Apple 2e/CPM/Kermit?
Keywords: Apple II Kermit

I am having trouble getting kermit running.  Any help would be appreciated.
My hardware configuration is 
	* Officially enhanced Apple 2e
	* PCPI ``Starcard'' (Applicard) with Z80B
	* Hayes Smartmodems (I have access to the 1200 and the 2400)
	* SuperSerial Card

I got kermit off the simtel20 PD archives PD:<CPM.MODEM>CP405HEX.ARK (thanks
much to those who spend their time [and money?] keeping these archives
open!).  Using the accompanying instructions I configured kermit for the
``generic'' CP/M system using the IOBYTE.  Much to my surprise, it was able
to talk to the modem on the first try!  (Magic is always surprising.)  Much
to my disappointment, characters are being dropped.  I cannot seem to get
the Hayes modem into its ``monitor'' mode to set registers, autodial, etc.,
and not every character I type at the keyboard is being echoed, and not
every character I type make the geblinken lights on the modem light up.  It
looks like some sort of handshake or speed problem between the PCPI system
software and the SSC.  At first I thought the Hayes and the Super Serial
Card were trying to talk at different baud rates, but a lot of messing
around and writing test programs convinced me this is not what is happening.
E.g., the SSC and the modem work fine under SmartTerm, but then they don't
under kermit.  I thought maybe the Hayes Smartmodem 2400 was not being
initialized properly under kermit, so I tried the Hayes 1200 under kermit,
and it experiences the same problem.

I want to use kermit under CP/M since SmarTerm requires a re-boot and wipes
out my AE RamWorks ramdisk.

Any help would be much appreciated!  What am I missing?  Is there a Kermit
configuration overlay specifically for my configuration?

Mail to samples@berkeley.edu.  If there is sufficient interest, I will post
a summary.

Thanks in advance,
Dain

A. Dain Samples, 573 Evans, UC Berkeley, samples@arpa.berkeley.edu 
(All opinions expressed herein are mine, and do not reflect the opinions of
anyone that does not want them to.)

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Date: 15 Jun 87 19:09:02 GMT
From: rochester!steinmetz!ebstokes@vdsvax..arpa (Stokes Edward B)
Subject: Kermit for HPUX 5.1?
Keywords: HPUX, Kermit

We have an HP 9836 (Series 200) microcomputer which is running HPUX 5.1
(hp's flavor of unix, basically system V). We would like to have a cheap
reliable interface to an Ultrix VAX via an existing RS232 line. CU works OK,
but doesn't do even the most simplistic checking of files that are
transferred.  Does anyone have any experience with HPUX Kermit ? It does not
have the familiar "server" mode which is available in most versions,
consequently we've not had much luck making it work. Thanks in advance. Ed
Stokes

ebstokes@ge-crd.arpa

[Ed. - Regular C-Kermit 4D(061) is said to work under HP-UX if you build it
with the "sys5" option.  However, it lacks support for some of the HP 9836
specific features, some of which may appear in the next release.]

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 87 11:40:38 PDT
From: dbercel@Sun.COM (Danielle Bercel, MIS Systems Programming)
Subject: Unix Kermit in Background?
Keywords: C-Kermit

Is anyone aware how to run Unix Kermit in the background? The version we
have here seems to want tty access and even though the commands are coming
from a script we cannot run it in the background.

Any suggestions?

danielle
UUCP:  {hplabs,decvax,}!sun!toto!{danielle,dbercel}                        
COM:   dbercel%toto@sun.com
ARPA:  dbercel@sun.arpa                      

[Ed. - The -q option, given on the command line, is intended to "quiesce" the
tty and allow the program to run in the background, when invoked with a "&"
on the end of the command line.]

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 87 14:10 EST
From: Mark B. Johnson                             
Subject: HP-150 Kermit?
Keywords: HP-150 Kermit

Could anyone be so kind as to send us the HP 150 version of MS-Kermit on
diskette?  We cannot transfer anything to the one here on campus due to an
outdated BASIC.  We would be ever so grateful ...

Mark Johnson
Univ. of Notre Dame

[Ed. - This is a popular request.  Does anyone know of an HP User Group that
we could submit a Kermit diskette to for distribution.  In the near future,
there is a possibility that Kermit Distribution at Columbia will be able
to provide this service, but until then...... ??]

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