os9@cbosgd.att.com (01/30/88)
OS-9 Discussions Friday, January 29th 1988 Volume 4 : Issue 3
Today's Topics:
Source for OS-9/68K
Software Review - GRAFPLOT
Excellent Sources of Color Computer Information!
OS9 User Group Library
Suggestion for an OS9 utility
Disk Speeds
OS9 USERS GROUP INFO
OS9 USERS GROUP INFO
Re: OS9 USERS GROUP INFO (disk orders)
Kermit68K/OS9, looking for Steve Williams and Miguel Herias
[MODERATOR's NOTE: For those of you who have requested sources, before I
send them I make sure the return mail link works. So far, of the six
requests, only one person has responded back. You'll be receiving your
sources in the next day or two. The rest of you, please send an e-mail
response. - JDD]
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 88 02:09:05 +0100
From: uunet.UU.NET!diab!smtp@hp-lsd.UUCP
Subject: Source for OS-9/68K
About your note in comp.os.os9:
Are you saying that I can't send any disks to get the software on?
You said that you were not too sure about other sites between us and
their opinion about transferring megabytes of software. Wouldn't it be
better to use floppies?
[MOD: Right. I don't have the facilities at this time to write the sources
on to a variety of disk types. My current system only has 8 inch floppies.
I am currently building the cabling to add 5 1/4" 1.2MB drives (AT size ;-).
I AM willing to send the sources I have to Europe one time via e-mail, but
net-etiquette would prefer that the receiver there be willing to pass them
on to others requesting from the European sector. If someone is willing to
format the sources to disk in your preferred format, we'll try to see if
we can get you those sources! (Note the MOTD offers below. Many of your
needs might actually be met there.) - JDD]
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 88 11:26:07 EST
From: "Eric W. Tilenius" <rutgers!pucc.bitnet!EWTILENI>
Subject: Software Review - GRAFPLOT
REVIEW: GRAFPLOT graphing software for CoCo 1,2,3
(Courtesy SPECTROGRAM Magazine.)
by Eric W. Tilenius
GRAFPLOT Version 2.0, from Hawkes Research Services, is a good package
suitable for many graphing applications - from budgets to business, and
statistics to scientific applications. It is a full featured graphing
program, with many options and advanced data-handling abilities, but the
buyer should be aware that GRAFPLOT only produces line graphs. It will not
draw bar charts, pie graphs, scatter graphs, or any other type of graph.
Instead, the author has chosen to concentrate on one of the most common
types of graphs (line graphs) in order to make a program that gives the
user much greater graphing power. Despite a few minor complaints of mine,
and a few features which the program lacks (most of which are included in
the new version of GRAFPLOT which should be available by the time you read
this), I feel that GRAFPLOT is an excellent program and is worth
consideration by anyone who has need of a graphing program. GRAFPLOT
requires 32K and will work on a Color Computer 1, 2, or 3 (in CoCo 2 mode)
with at least 1 disk drive.
GRAFPLOT comes on an unprotected disk and is accompanied by a 37 page
manual telling the program's features, providing examples, and showing how
sample graphs will look. The manual may be a bit hard to understand for
someone who is not familiar either with graphing techniques or other
graphing programs, but otherwise does a pretty good job of explaining how
to use GRAFPLOT. A prompting mode helps the first time user enter data
more easily.
Once you've become more familiar with GRAFPLOT, you'll see the many
options which it offers. The program can, for instance, read your data
from disk (from saved spreadsheet data in certain formats), from cassette,
from the keyboard, or it can generate data from a mathematical function you
give it. You can have 1 or 2 "Y" (vertical) axes, with each sharing the
same or different "X" (horizontal) values. You can sort data, select
automatically or manually scaled axes, and even perform what is known as
"binomial smoothing" to take out irregularities in your data. GRAFPLOT
will also integrate your data to find the area under the curve represented
by your data between two specified points on the X-axis.
Once you've entered and modified your data GRAFPLOT will plot a graph
for you. Again, many professional options are at your fingertips. The
program will print a title for the graph for you on the screen (using full
upper- and lowercase), and will let you type in labels for the X-axis and
one or both of the Y-axes. You may then choose from a wide variety of
graphing symbols for each set of data, including points, open or solid
squares and diamonds, and circles, triangles, or crosses. Then, GRAFPLOT
offers you the option of connecting these points with a single line, double
line, or no line at all. And, whatever symbol and line pattern you choose,
GRAFPLOT will display it in parentheses next to your Y-axis label. You may
graph all of your data, or enlarge a section of your data to appear on the
axes.
Once you've defined exactly what you wish GRAFPLOT to do with your
data, it will go ahead and draw the graph on a PMODE 4 screen
(high-resolution for the CoCo 2). It does so quickly, but not at a
lightning speed, as the program is written in BASIC. GRAFPLOT
automatically "tics" your graph, or marks it with appropriate values along
the axes. For instance, if you were dealing with percentages from 0 to
100%, GRAFPLOT will mark the side of the Y axis with evenly spaced numbers
from 0 to 100, and write the numbers in, too. This produces a very
nicely-labeled final product.
Once you've drawn your masterpiece, you have (ah, yes) more options.
First, you can overlay another set of data on top of the already-drawn
graph. You can also save the graphics screen with the graph on it for
either touching up with a graphics editor or printing with one of the
screen print programs not supported by GRAFPLOT. This is not the same as
saving the raw data, which is also an available option. At this point, you
may also return to the main menu to alter your data, rescale axes, etc.
Finally, you can print your finished product directly from GRAFPLOT. A
Radio Shack screen dump program is included, or you may purchase one of
several Custom Software Engineering's printer drivers. Either of these
will integrate with GRAFPLOT to allow you to print your graphs without ever
leaving the program. Or, as I mentioned before, the graph can be saved and
printed with your favorite dump program, such as PRINT MASTER or HARDCOPY.
What I like most about GRAFPLOT is it's power and flexibility. In
addition to those features mentioned above, you can "chain" data to produce
a series of graphs (of up to 200 points each) for large amounts of data,
have the "tic" marks extend across the entire screen to produce a grid-like
effect, list the data on printer or screen, and more. The tutorial section
in the manual, while a tiny bit hard to follow for new users at first,
helps ease you into use of this program. Sample graphs are printed at the
end of the manual to display how different graphing options affect how the
finished product will look.
There are, however, some areas in which I felt GRAFPLOT could stand
improvement. The first is in its error handling. It is possible to enter
data that will cause the program to crash or mess-up. In addition, at one
point in the program, I was confused when asked for "X-1" (the first X
value), then asked again for "X-1". What the program actually should have
been asking for in the second case was "Y-1" (the first Y value to
correspond with X-1), but for some reason, the obvious error was never
caught in my copy. There is, too, an error in the documentation. It
states that you can EDIT the program line that contains the data generating
function, then "GO TO 543" if you want to save data already in memory.
Unfortunately, any time you EDIT or change a program line, all data in
memory is lost. The manual should have told the user to save data first,
before modifying the program line.
Be warned that all of GRAFPLOT's power comes at a price. It is
somewhat tricky to manage all these options to create exactly the graph you
desire, and the manual doesn't make all the options crystal clear. So, you
may have to do a little playing around before you get the hang of using
GRAFPLOT. Yet, I feel the benefits of having more power outweigh the time
it takes learning to use the program. I guess the final decision comes
down to whether you make only an occasional graph and want simplicity, in
which case this is not the program for you, or whether you really want
control over your graphs and the ability to produce sophisticated graphical
representations. GRAFPLOT shines at the latter.
My only other gripes with GRAFPLOT Version 2.0 concern some of its
limitations. Happily, Hawkes Research Services has announced a new version
of GRAFPLOT - now available - which makes this program even more versatile
and professional. I was going to say that limiting the user to having two
sets of data on the screen at once was a severe drawback. But now, with
the new version, Hawkes claims that you can have UNLIMITED overlay of data,
plus 291 graphing symbols. I was going to comment that GRAFPLOT's disk
read format was a bit limited, but the new version let's you read data from
most all the popular spreadsheets, according to Hawkes. Plus, included,
free with your order is the screenprint program of your choice. Finally,
the new GRAFPLOT features moving average calculation, handy for many graphs
where you wish to calculate the average for many data points.
GRAFPLOT has been around on the CoCo market for several years now, and
has proved itself as a reliable performer. Version 2.0, which I received
for review, is excellent in itself, and the new version, if it does all
that Hawkes says it will, should set a new standard in CoCo graphing
programs. I was also impressed with the trust and support which Hawkes
gives to the customer. In addition to quality service, Hawkes offers a
30-day money-back guarantee if not satisfied. On a scale of 1-5 (1=poor,
5=excellent), I would give GRAFPLOT Version 2.0 a rating of 4. And, while I
haven't seen the newer version in action, I can anticipate giving that a
4.5 or so.
My final wish for this program is that, eventually, Hawkes rewrite it
to take advantage of the CoCo 3's 640 by 192 graphics mode. With all of
GRAFPLOT's outstanding features, and the CoCo 3's better graphics, this
program would be truly spectacular.
GRAFPLOT is available from Hawkes Research Services, 859 Stanford
Avenue, Oakland, CA 94608. Phone (415) 547-7557. The program costs $40 on
tape, or $45 on disk (I would strongly recommend the disk version if you
have a drive), plus $3 Shipping and handling. Please specify your printer
when ordering. You may also purchase a demo on disk or tape for $5; if you
decide to order GRAFPLOT, you'll receive a $5 credit towards the program.
[[Ed note: I'm still waiting for someone to come out with a REALLY
hi-resolution CoCo 3 only 640x200 with 4 color graphing program. Anyone
ready to tackle the job? :-) ]]
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From: "Eric W. Tilenius" <rutgers!pucc.bitnet!EWTILENI>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 88 14:28:49 EST
Subject: Excellent Sources of Color Computer Information!
In addition to The Rainbow, the best magazine devoted to the Tandy
Color Computer, there are several other sources that I can recommend.
(I assume all of you get, or at least know of, The Rainbow - it's
practically indespensible. If for some reason, you don't know about
it, I can give you the info.)
There is a new magazine for the CoCo called CoCo Clipboard Magazine.
It comes out bi-monthly, and is off to a nice start - it's packed with
useful information. Authors such as Wayne Day, Kraig Brockschmidt,
Randy Krippner, Bob van der Poel, Delmar Searles, Rush Caley, Mike
Dooley, and Bill Bernico provide helpful columns on everything from
business to ham radio to programming. OS9, ML, and Pascal sections
are included.
Subscriptions are only $12 a year. To subscribe, you can send your
check to:
CoCo Clipboard Magazine
3742 U.S. 20
Box 3
Fredonia, NY 14063
Also, if anyone is looking for a User's Group out there, write for more
information to:
The Island CoCo Club, P.O. Box 426, Massapequa Park, NY 11762.
They have one of the best User Group newsletters around, and will send
you one on request. Membership is quite reasonable.
- ERIC -
P.S. I'm a member of The Island CoCo Club, and a subscriber to CoCo
Clipboard, but otherwise have no affiliation with them. This information
is passed along as a public service.
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Date: 20 Jan 88 22:13:51 GMT
From: pete%wlbr@etn-wlv.eaton.com (Pete Lyall)
Subject: OS9 User Group Library
Keywords: OS9 USER GROUP LIBRARY
Organization: Eaton IMSD, Westlake Village, CA
In response to a few recent requests, I'll be posting some OS9 Users
Group information here in Comp.Sys.M6809. For starters, here's a
relatively recent catalogue of what we have available in the User
Group Library. Specific questions should be directed to the OS9 User
Group Librarian (Carl Kreider - 71076,76 on CIS) or the User Group
President (Dave Kaleita - 70150,521 on CIS, OS9UGPRES on Delphi) as
they are the most familiar. I'll be happy to answer what I can, or at
least re-route the questions.
I'll be happy to help with any User Group related queries/problems
that I can, but I'm still getting my feet wet so be patient with me
please. The User Group was pretty close to being out of service when
Dave Kaleita stepped in. Since then, it seems we are coming out the
dark, both financially and organizationally. The new MOTD (newsletter)
should be out shortly (if not already) as well. Current Staff is:
President Dave Kalieta (as above)
Vice President Pete Lyall (as below in .signature except
OS9UGVP on Delphi)
Secretary Kevin Darling (76703,4227 CIS; KDARLING on Delphi)
Treasurer Steve Odneal (OS9UGTREAS on Delphi)
MOTD Editor Bill Brady (OS9UGED on Delphi, also on CIS and
GENIE [?????,???])
Librarian Carl Kreider (as above)
I'll get more information posted here as it becomes available. Thanks
for being patient!
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OS-9 Users Group Software Library Volumes - 08/11/87
NOTE: PLEASE READ THE FILE "UGLIB.TXT" (ELSEWHERE IN THIS COMPUSERVE DL)
BEFORE ORDERING ANY OF THE FOLLOWING VOLUMES FROM THE OS-9 USERS GROUP!!
No. Done? Title: Format: Who?
0.09 Y New Member Intro 3* DK
1.01 Y Spelling Checker (Improved; 6809 & 68K) 4 DK
2.02 Y Spelling Dictionary (102,681 words, 6809 & 68K) 5 DK
3.01 Y Word Processing Utils 1* DK
4.01 Y Programming Utilities 1* DK
5.00 Y File Processing Utils 1* DK
6.02 Y Adventure Game (source) 4 CK
7.02 Y Adventure Game (object) 3 CK
8.00 Y General Interest (demo, games, finance) 1 CK
9.00 Y C Programmer's Tool Kit 3 CK
10.00 Y Math & Electronics 1 GD
11.00 Y Word Processing Utils (disk #2) 1 CK
12.00 Y Programming Utilities (disk #2) 1 CK
13.00 Y File Processing Utils (disk #2) 1 CK
14.03 Y File Maintenance 1* CK
15.01 Y Communication 1 CK
16.00 Y Hardware Customizations 1 CK
17.00 Y Basic09 Programmer's Tool Kit 1 CK
18.00 Y System Utilities 1 CK
19.01 Y Languages 1: XLisp (source) 4 CK
20.00 Y XLisp (object) 1 DK
21.00 Y File maintenance (disk #2) 1* CK
22.00 Y Programming Utilities (disk #3) 1 CK
23.00 Y File Processing Utils (disk #3) 1 CK
24.01 Y General Interest (disk #2) 1 CK
25.02 Y Word Processing Utils (disk #3) 1 CK
26.01 Y C Language Math Library (6809 only) 3 CK
27.01 N <undefined>
28.00 Y 68K Utilities 1 CK
29.00 Y File Maintenance (disk #3) 1 CK
30.00 Y File Processing Utils (disk #4) 1 CK
31.00 Y Hardware Customizations (disk #2) 1 CK
32.00 Y Hardware Customizations (disk #3) 1 CK
33.00 Y System Utilities (disk #2) 1 CK
34.00 Y Hardware Customizations (disk #4) 1 CK
35.00 Y System Utilities (disk #3) 1 CK
36.00 Y General Interest (disk #3) 1 CK
37.01 Y Communication (6809 & 68K Kermit) (disk #2) 2 CK
38.00 Y Programming Utilities (disk #4) 1 CK
39.00 Y Communication (Freeware) (disk #3) 4 CK
40.00 Y System Utilities (disk #4) 1 CK
41.00 Y Programming Utilities (disk #5) 1 CK
42.00 Y Coco Graphics 1 CK
43.00 Y System Utilities (disk #5) 1 CK
44.01 Y Communication (Smod8) (disk #4) 1 CK
45.00 Y Coco Graphics (disk #2) 2 CK
46.00 Y Text Processing Utils (Sled) 2 CK
47.00 Y Text Processing Utils (68K Runoff) (disk #2) 4 CK
48.01 N <undefined>
49.00 Y Text Processing Utils (MicroEMACS) (disk #3) 5 CK
50.00 Y 68K Utilities (disk #2) 1 CK
51.00 Y 68K Utilities (disk #3) 1 CK
52.01 Y Math & Electronics (disk #2) 1 CK
53.00 Y 68K Utilities (disk #4) 1 CK
54.00 Y File Maintenance (disk #4) 1 CK
55.00 Y Text Processing Utils (QED for L2) (disk #4) 4 CK
56.00 Y Data Base Management (SDB for L2) 4 CK
NOTES: 1) Above formats follow the following convention:
Type "A" Type "B" Type "C"
Code Std. OS-9 Format: CoCo OS-9 Format: Atari OS-9 Format:
(5.25") (5.25") (3.5")
1 35 track ss sd 35 track ss dd 80 track ss dd
2 35 track ds sd 35 track ss dd 80 track ss dd
3 40 track ss sd 35 track ss dd 80 track ss dd
4 40 track ds sd 40 track ss dd 80 track ss dd
5 40 track ds dd 40 track ds dd 80 track ss dd
6 80 track ds dd 80 track ds dd 80 track ds dd
* In order for volumes whose format codes (above) are
indicated with an asterisk ("*") to fit in the
specified format, the disk is created with a default
sector allocation of 1 sector per directory (made by
doctoring the "segment allocation size" byte in the
device descriptor of the drive on which the master disk
is made).
2) All of the above volumes are available in Microware
standard, Atari ST 3.5", and TRS-80 Color Computer (dd,
18 sectors/track, etc.) formats. Specify "TYPE B" when
ordering if running a Color Computer; specify "TYPE C"
if running OS-9 on an Atari ST computer. Please
remember that some volumes of the Library will not fit
on all formats of disk. If you do not specify the
format you desire, you will be shipped either Microware
standard 5.25" OS-9 format (i.e., "TYPE "A"), or the
format we have on file for you (as specified by you on
your original membership/renewal application). Please
note that 8" disks are no longer available directly
from the UG. Write us if you really need 8" (or any
other format disks we do not officially support for any
given volume of the library); we may be able to put you
in contact with another UG volunteer member who could
do the conversion for you.
3) Volumes which are not metioned above, or are marked
with a "N" in the "Done?" column, are NOT AVAILABLE at
this time. Orders for unavailable volumes will not be
processed.
4) Send orders to the main UG address, making sure the
envelope is clearly marked "ATTN: DISK ORDERS". Orders
marked anything other than "DISK ORDERS" may be delayed
an additional 4 to 6 weeks. DO NOT ADDRESS YOUR ORDER
(OR CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT YOUR ORDER) TO "LIBRARY" OR
"LIBRARIAN".
5) The ENTIRE OS-9 UG Library is presently available in a
special set of nine 5.25" 80 track (96 tpi)
double-sided double-density STANDARD (i.e., non-CoCo)
OS-9 format disks (UG format type "A6" ONLY). Please
note that this set contains all software that is
presently contained in the UG Library EXCEPT the
spelling dictionary, which is ONLY available on the
individual Volume #2 library disk. This archive set is
presently unavailable in Color Computer format.
To order any of the above individual volumes from the
OS-9 Users Group Software Library, send $6.00 for each
5.25" disk and $8.00 for each 3.5" disk to:
OS-9 Users Group
ATTN: DISK ORDERS
1715 East Fowler Ave., Suite R237
Tampa, Florida 33612
The special multi-disk Archive set on 80 track ds dd
standard format disks is available for $90 at the
present time. This price is subject to change without
notice as the number of disks in the set increases (the
price will remain $10 X N, where N is the number of
disks in the set). When ordering, please refer to the
set as the "multi-disk archive set".
Payment for disk orders may be made by check, Master
Card or Visa ONLY. Please remember to include your
complete mailing address, telephone number(s), a
description of the disk format you want and, of course,
your payment.
Orders will be accepted from MEMBERS ONLY.
======================================================================
I think that Frank Hogg is now also an outlet for the UGLIB disks. I
don't believe you need to be a member to acquire library disks from
Frank (although we'd *like* you to join *8^})
--
Pete Lyall (OS9 Users Group V.P.) Eaton Corporation (818)-706-5693
Compuserve: 76703,4230 (OS9 Sysop) OS9 (home): (805)-985-0632 (24hr./1200 baud)
Internet: pete@wlbr.eaton.com UUCP: {ihnp4,scgvax,jplgodo,voder}!wlbr!pete
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 88 07:09:36 est
From: ihnp4!ihwpt!knudsen
Subject: Suggestion for an OS9 utility
Keywords: Bad Disk Sectors
I'd like to find, or get help to write, a simple (?)
utility that would read thru an entire diskette and
find all the bad (as in unreadable) sectors and mark
them as in-use on the sector allocation bitmap so that
they would never be assigned to any future files.
Options from the command line would control:
*what to do if a bad sector is already allocated
(at least type warning; better to find what file it belongs
to; maybe unlink it from that file);
*whether to try and re-format just each bad sector (write
some pattern on it and try to re-read it. If this works,
then media itself is not [quite as] faulty.)
*whether to create a single file in the root directory,
named BAD.SECTORS, which would contain all the baddies.
(I dislike this, since now a user could DEL that file
and have all those bad sectors "loose" again.)
I know that FORMAT is supposed to identify bad sectors when a
disk is first formatted and set their allocation bits.
However, I often find bad sectors showing up later,
especially on DS80-track disks.
I know how to read thru all the sectors (open /Dn@),
but need some serious study of the allocation bitmap
area. Also I assume it's very hard to find what file
a given sector belongs to -- must search every file in every
directory. Or is there a faster way? I know DCHECK
can identify files with duplicate sectors, but I assume
it starts with a recursive descent thru the directory tree anyway.
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Date: 22 Jan 88 05:25:07 GMT
From: pete%wlbr@etn-wlv.eaton.com (Pete Lyall)
Subject: Disk Speeds
Keywords: OS9 HARD DISK SPEEDS
Organization: Eaton IMSD, Westlake Village, CA
======================= Results ==============================
Running Larry Harmon's 'diskspeed' test (from USENET's
comp.sys.m6809), I obtained the following results on the
GIMIX and the COCO3:
================================================================
Gimix
=====
System - GIMIX 2 (6809) running at 2.25 Mhz.
Hard Disk - NEC 5146 (40 Mb) under Elektra DBI controller
with Xebec SASI board (DMA)
Floppies - Mitsubishi 80 Tr under Gimix FD controller (DMA)
Ramdisk - Gimix (Rich Hogg) Vdisk.
Clock - Real time built in.
Test: date t; diskspeed testfile 400; date t
Hard Disk Floppy Disk Ram Disk
--------- ----------- --------
21 sec 91 Sec* 16 Sec
* Floppy Verify was disabled (vfy=01)
=================================================================
Coco3
=====
System - Coco3 running at 1.79 Mhz
Hard Disk - ST225 (20 meg) under the Bruce Isted/FHL HCA and
WD1002-05 controller.
Floppy Disk - Tandon TM101-2 40 Tr under J&M standard floppy
controller.
Ramdisk - From Tandy OS9 LII Developer's Pal
Clock - Real time (PBJ with Bruce Isted's CC3/LII hacks)
Test: date t; diskspeed testfile 400; date t
Hard Disk Floppy Disk Ram Disk
--------- ----------- --------
14 sec 91 Sec* 10 Sec
* Floppy Verify was disabled (vfy=01)
=================================================================
It would be interesting to see what kind of other results are
being gotten on other hard disk (and no-halt) floppy systems.
--
Pete Lyall (OS9 Users Group VP)| DELPHI: OS9UGVP | Eaton Corp.(818)-706-5693
Compuserve: 76703,4230 (OS9 Sysop) OS9 (home): (805)-985-0632 (24hr./1200 baud)
Internet: pete@wlbr.eaton.com UUCP: {ihnp4,scgvax,jplgodo,voder}!wlbr!pete
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Date: 21 Jan 88 23:51:31 GMT
From: pete%wlbr@ETN-WLV.EATON.COM (Pete Lyall)
Subject: OS9 USERS GROUP INFO
Keywords: OS9 USERS GROUP INFO
Organization: Eaton IMSD, Westlake Village, CA
In response to recent requests for information regarding the OS9 USERS
GROUP, here's another blurb. This one (obviously) pertains to general
membership info.
=======================================================================
The OS-9 Users Group is an international non-profit
organization of approximately 800 members (and growing) devoted
to exchanging and distributing information about, and public
domain software for, all available versions of the OS-9 Operating
system. The OS-9 Users Group is the only independent group
officially recognized by Microware (the developers of OS-9) as an
official voice of its users.
The OS-9 Users Group periodically publishes a newsletter
entitled "MOTD" which contains many useful articles, software
listings, and other information helpful in keeping OS-9 computing
enjoyable and rewarding. Other membership benefits include free
technical help referrals (by mail or electronic BBS) and
significant discounts on the purchase of individual volumes of
the OS-9 Users Group Public Domain Software Library. One year
memberships in the group cost $25.00 for individuals and $150 for
companies (corporate membership) and includes a subscription to
the MOTD newsletter, one free disk of public domain software
(archive set of entire Library for corporate members), and the
right to purchase additional disks of software at a very
reasonable cost. The group's public domain software library
currently has over 56 individual volumes of software comprised of
almost 300 individual programs. The library is constantly growing
due to the group's policy of sending one volume (disk) from the
library free for each individual program donated by a member. For
more complete information on the OS-9 Users Group, including a
complete catalog listing of (and ordering information for) all
currently available volumes in the Group's public domain software
library, visit the OS-9 Forums on either the CompuServe or Delphi
electronic networks.
To join the OS-9 Users Group, fill out the application form
reproduced below (or facsimile thereof) and send to the address
at the bottom of the form.
Visa and Master Card are accepted.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
OS-9 Users Group
(A non-profit organization)
Application for New or Renewal Membership
Are you applying for a NEW or RENEWAL membership? _______________
Name: ___________________________________________________________
Company Name (for Corporate memberships only):___________________
_________________________________________________________________
Address: ________________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________________
City, State, Zip: _______________________________________________
Country: ________________________________________________________
Telephone Number(s): ____________________________________________
Type of Computer System you are running OS-9 on: ________________
_________________________________________________________________
Format of OS-9 floppy disks you can read:
5.25" _______ 8" _______ 3.5" _______
Single-Sided _______ Double-Sided _______
Single-Density _______ Double-Density _______
Microware Format _______ TRS-80 Color Computer Format _______
Atari ST Format _______ Other OS-9 Format ___________________
CompuServe ID Number: _______________ Delphi ID: _______________
BIX address: _______________ UseNet address: ___________________
GENIE address: ______________ Other BBS address: _______________
Would you be willing to volunteer your time and effort to work on
one of the OS-9 Users Group's committees or run for an office? If
so, please describe the capacity in which you would like to get
involved:
_______________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________________
[ ] Check here if you DO NOT want your name and address printed
in a member directory.
Number of years membership you are enclosing payment for: _______
INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIPS IN THE OS-9 USERS GROUP ARE $25.00 PER YEAR
CORPORATE (COMPANY) MEMBERSHIPS ARE $150 PER YEAR
Type of membership applied for: [ ] Corporate [ ] Individual
(As the OS-9 Users Group is a registered non-profit organization,
any other charitable donations will also be gladly accepted.)
Total Payment enclosed: ___________________
Method of payment: Check Number _____________________
Master Card Number ____________________ Expiration Date _________
Visa Card Number ______________________ Expiration Date _________
Signature: _______________________________________ Date _________
Make all checks payable to "OS-9 Users Group"
Send application to: OS-9 Users Group
ATTN: MEMBERSHIP
1715 East Fowler Ave., Suite R237
Tampa, FL 33612
Please allow 4 to 6 weeks before inquiring about your application.
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Shortly after acceptance of your application for new
membership, you will receive a copy of the current issue of the
OS-9 Users Group newsletter ("MOTD"), and soon after that, the
"starter" diskette, UG Library Volume #0, with software of the
type useful in getting you started with both OS9 and the Users
Group. Additional volumes in the OS-9 Users Group Library may be
purchased at a very reasonable cost at any time after your
membership is processed.
Current members who renew their membership will receive a UG
"donation credit" post card, which may be redeemed for most UG
products and services at any time during your membership.
If you have any further questions regarding the OS-9 Users
Group, you should stop in at the "OS-9 Forum" here on CompuServe
by typing "GO OS9" at any prompt; there are a number of
information files in the DL1 section of that forum that will give
you ordering information about the individual volumes of software
available in the Users Group's library. Alternately, you may
contact David Kaleita at CompuServe ID #70150,521 or Delphi ID
"OS9UGPRES", or write to the address given above on the
membership application form.
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Pete Lyall (OS9 Users Group V.P.) Eaton Corporation (818)-706-5693
Compuserve: 76703,4230 (OS9 Sysop) OS9 (home): (805)-985-0632 (24hr./1200 baud)
Internet: pete@wlbr.eaton.com UUCP: {ihnp4,scgvax,jplgodo,voder}!wlbr!pete
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Date: 21 Jan 88 23:54:47 GMT
From: pete%wlbr@ETN-WLV.EATON.COM (Pete Lyall)
Subject: OS9 USERS GROUP INFO
Keywords: OS9 USERS GROUP INFO
Organization: Eaton IMSD, Westlake Village, CA
In response to recent requests regarding the OS9 USERS GROUP, here is
some information on ordering disks from the OS9 USERS GROUP LIBRARY.
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Instructions For Ordering UG Library Disks
(for members of the OS-9 Users Group ONLY)
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY BEFORE SENDING IN YOUR DISK ORDER!!
1) Note what type of computer system you are running OS-9 on.
Theoretically, all OS-9 systems should be able to read one or
more of the following format disks:
Type "A": Standard Microware Format (track 0 is single density,
all tracks are 16 sectors long)
Type "B": Tandy Color Computer Format (all tracks are double
density and 18 sectors long)
Type "C": Atari 3.5" Format (Micro-Floppy 3.5" disks, 80 tracks,
all tracks double density)
2) Determine what type of floppy disk drives you have on your
OS-9 computer system. The available choices are...
Type "A" Type "B" Type "C"
Code Std. OS-9 Format: CoCo OS-9 Format: Atari OS-9 Format:
(5.25") (5.25") (3.5")
1 35 track ss sd 35 track ss dd 80 track ss dd
2 35 track ds sd 35 track ss dd 80 track ss dd
3 40 track ss sd 35 track ss dd 80 track ss dd
4 40 track ds sd 40 track ss dd 80 track ss dd
5 40 track ds dd 40 track ds dd 80 track ss dd
6 80 track ds dd 80 track ds dd 80 track ds dd
KEY: ss=single sided, ds=double sided,
sd=single density, dd=double density
Choose the codes above which represent the formats of disks you
know you are able to read. For example, most TRS-80 Color
Computers can only read formats #B1, #B2, #B3 and (sometimes) #B4
above. This indicates that a person with a stock Color Computer
should be careful to only order Library volumes with these format
codes. DO NOT ORDER LIBRARY DISKS WITH FORMAT CODES OTHER THAN
THE ONES WHICH YOU KNOW YOUR SYSTEM IS ABLE TO READ!
3) Choose the Volume Numbers of the individual disks you would
like to order, carefully noting the format code of each volume
you would like to order. IF THE FORMAT CODE OF THE DISK YOU WOULD
LIKE TO ORDER DOES NOT MATCH THE CODE OF A FORMAT YOUR COMPUTER
SYSTEM IS ABLE TO READ (as calculated in step 2 above), YOU
SHOULD NOT ORDER THAT VOLUME!! Yes, this means that it is
possible that a disk you want may not be available in a format
you can read. This is sometimes necessary when an individual
program on a disk is too big to fit on a small format disk.
In particular, it should be noted that Volumes #2, and #49 cannot
be used on most TRS-80 Color Computers. Care should also be taken
before ordering Volumes #6, #19, #39, #47, #55 and #56 (and any
others whose format code is 4 or greater). Also note that the
multi-disk "Archive Set" of the entire UG Library is only
available in STANDARD MICROWARE FORMAT on 80 track ds dd disks
(format number A6) ONLY and can therefore not be used on a stock
TRS-80 Color Computer or Atari ST Computer.
4) Prices for individual volumes are as follows (as of December,
1987):
Type "A" Type "B" Type "C"
Code Std. OS-9 Format: CoCo OS-9 Format: Atari OS-9 Format:
(5.25") (5.25") (3.5")
1 $6.00 each $6.00 each $8.00 each
2 $6.00 each $6.00 each $8.00 each
3 $6.00 each $6.00 each $8.00 each
4 $6.00 each $6.00 each $8.00 each
5 $6.00 each $6.00 each $8.00 each
6 $10.00 each $10.00 each $10.00 each
NOTE: PRICES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE! Orders
received 30 days or more after an official price change (as
announced in the MOTD newsletter) are subject to the new price
schedule. Orders sent with insufficient payment will be returned
unprocessed unless specific instructions to do otherwise are
included with the order.
5) Fill out the order blank reproduced below (or facsimile
thereof) with all of the necessary information:
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OS-9 Users Group Software Library Order Form
(For Members of the OS-9 Users Group ONLY)
FROM... Name: _________________________________________________
Address: ______________________________________________
City, State, Zip: _____________________________________
Telephone Number(s): __________________________________
Computer Disk format Type (A, B or C - from instructions): ______
Format Code(s) of floppy disks you can read
(1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and/or 6 - from instructions): ______________
Format: Price:
Quantity: Volume # |Type Code| Each | Total |
| | ** | | ** | ** | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | | | | | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | | | | | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | | | | | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | | | | | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | | | | | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | | | | | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | | | | | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | | | | | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
** Note: Information indicated by a "**" above should be taken
from the current UG Library Volumes listing, as reproduced in the
UG newsletter.
Archive Set of Entire UG Library (available as set of eleven disks
in format #A6 ONLY. Not Color Computer Compatible):
Format: Price:
Quantity: Volume # |Type Code| Each | Total |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | Archive | A | 6 | $100 | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
| | Archive | A | 6 | $100 | |
+---------+---------+----+----+------+-------+
Please write us if you desperately need any of the above disks in
any format other than the ones we currently offer (such as 8"
disks, other formats, etc.). We may be able to put you in touch
with another volunteer UG member who could do the conversion for
you.
Total Payment enclosed: ___________________
Method of payment: Check Number _____________________
Master Card Number ____________________ Expiration Date _________
Visa Card Number ______________________ Expiration Date _________
Signature: _______________________________________ Date _________
Make all checks payable to "OS-9 Users Group"
Send disk order to: OS-9 Users Group
ATTN: DISK ORDER
1715 East Fowler Ave., Suite R237
Tampa, FL 33612
Please allow 6 weeks before inquiring about your order.
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--
Pete Lyall (OS9 Users Group V.P.) Eaton Corporation (818)-706-5693
Compuserve: 76703,4230 (OS9 Sysop) OS9 (home): (805)-985-0632 (24hr./1200 baud)
Internet: pete@wlbr.eaton.com UUCP: {ihnp4,scgvax,jplgodo,voder}!wlbr!pete
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Date: 22 Jan 88 05:50:13 GMT
From: blarson@skat.usc.EDU (Bob Larson)
Subject: Re: OS9 USERS GROUP INFO (disk orders)
Keywords: OS9 USERS GROUP INFO
Organization: USC AIS, Los Angeles
A couple of notes regarding ordering os9 users group disks:
The prices quoted in Pete Lyall's article are for os9 users group
members only. (See his other article on how to join.)
An alternate way to get them, for higher prices (but probably faster
delivery) is to order them directly from Frank Hogg Labs. This
leagal, they are all public domain, and Frank gives a portion of the
proceeds to the group. (315)474-7856 You do not have to be a member
to order them this way.
--
Bob Larson Arpa: Blarson@Ecla.Usc.Edu blarson@skat.usc.edu
Uucp: {sdcrdcf,cit-vax}!oberon!skat!blarson
Prime mailing list: info-prime-request%fns1@ecla.usc.edu
oberon!fns1!info-prime-request
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Date: 26 Jan 88 20:53:06 GMT
From: mcvax!cernvax!roberto@uunet.uu.net (roberto)
Subject: Kermit68K/OS9, looking for Steve Williams and Miguel Herias
Reply-To: rutgers!uunet.uu.net!mcvax!cernvax!roberto ()
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics, CH-1211 Geneva, Switzerland
I'm posting this message to comp.os.os9 because I'm desperately looking
for Steve Williams and Miguel Herias (the University of Texas at Austin).
These guys wrote the OS9 system dependent part of Kermit68K, a portable
Kermit program for the 680x0 family of processors, of wich I'm the author.
Now I'm ready to release the version 1.1 of Kermit68K/OS9 but I'm not
able to contact the above mentioned people (in other word I haven't the
new OS9 system dependent part).
I hope that they read this newsgroup. Any pointer will be appreciated,
the last message I've received from Steve and Miguel is dated
12 November 1987.
Thanks
Roberto Bagnara UUCP, BITNet: roberto@cernvax
CERN
DD Division - OC Group
[MOD: I hope this helps! Another place might be to post in the kermit
newsgroup. - JDD]
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