john@stiatl.UUCP (John DeArmond) (12/06/88)
"Well, Johnathan Richmond proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that monkeys really do practice anal sex. This guy is the worst scum of the earth I've run into lately. Hell, the Neo-Nazis ought to make him their poster child." The above is pretty much verbatim from a Jewish friend of mine who has read this little escapade. My thoughts are less friendly than this but I'll save them for now. What I think needs to be done is for us in the Usenet community to form a legal defense fund so that Brad can file a libel suit against this asshole and his cohorts in the newspapers. The one way to crush such drivel is through their pocketbooks. If Brad does not have the time, then surely we can find someone else who has been slandered or libeled. It really does not matter which side of this issue you were originally on. Being for or against tasteless jokes is not irrevelant. What's happened now is that a cowardly little pinhead, after failing to achieve his goals through legitimate channels, has betrayed all of Net-dom with his taking his whining little crybaby beef to the media. It's exactly this kind of low rent, stab-in-the-back drivel that promulgates the bad-jew stereo- type. This is the old "if i can't have it, nobody can" attitude that most people shake shortly after sheding their diapers. I'll volunteer my time to administer such a fund if there is any interest. I'll also kick in a couple of hundred bucks to get it going. What do you think, netlanders? Are we going to let this cesspool of a person ruin the net for everybody? I sure hope not. Let's get a discussion going. I've changed the subject line to "Sue the Bastard" to reflect the new subject thread. Lets talk it up and get moving!! John De Armond gatech!stiatl!john
dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) (12/06/88)
In article <1991@stiatl.UUCP> john@stiatl.UUCP (John DeArmond) writes: [nasty comment quoted about Richmond] >The above is pretty much verbatim from a Jewish friend of mine who has read >this little escapade. Your Jewish friend perhaps realizes something that others don't. Richmond's campaign against ethnic jokes is doing much, much more to harm the image of the Jew among non-Jews than rec.humor.funny could ever have done. Richmond is no fool. He is well aware that a charge of "making fun of people of many cultures including Scotts and Jews" would be laughed at, so he consistently uses the inaccurate label "racist". He is unavailable to respond to charges on Usenet, where he seems to have few allies, but is happy to talk to the press, which loves a scandal. But what he's really doing, in his campaign as self-proclaimed representative of Jews, is helping propagate the image of Jews as sullen, rebellious, and dishonest. Those of you who consistently post articles in his support should think about this. -- Rahul Dhesi UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee}!bsu-cs!dhesi
culmer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Charles Culmer) (12/07/88)
In article <1991@stiatl.UUCP> john@stiatl.UUCP (John DeArmond) writes: > >What I think needs to be done is for us in the Usenet community to form >a legal defense fund so that Brad can file a libel suit against this asshole >and his cohorts in the newspapers. The one way to crush such drivel is >through their pocketbooks. If Brad does not have the time, then surely >we can find someone else who has been slandered or libeled. > >I'll volunteer my time to administer such a fund if there is any interest. >I'll also kick in a couple of hundred bucks to get it going. > >What do you think, netlanders? Are we going to let this cesspool of a >person ruin the net for everybody? I sure hope not. Let's get a >discussion going. I've changed the subject line to "Sue the Bastard" >to reflect the new subject thread. Lets talk it up and get moving!! A few comments-- (1) I don't care to use the legal system just to punish someone, no matter what kind of jerk he is. (2) On the other hand, this jerk may have acted in a deliberate attempt to damage the moderator's business. I would contribute to a fund to seek some compensation for that damage. (3) Most of all, I want the newspapers and administrators to forget about the incident before we lose any freedom of communication. Confrontation is probably not the best way to get out of the limelight. However, I will be happy to contribute to any fund whose purpose is to protect the environment to which we have become accustomed. This might be a job better suited for lobbyists than attorneys. Charles W. Culmer culmer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu Mike Milken for Treasury Secretary
shore@ncifcrf.gov (Melinda Shore) (12/07/88)
In article <4969@bsu-cs.UUCP> dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) writes: >Richmond's campaign against ethnic jokes is doing much, much more to >harm the image of the Jew among non-Jews than rec.humor.funny could >ever have done. I agree that it was *completely* inappropriate for Jonathan Richmond to try and depose Brad Templeton and, failing that, go to the press. However, having said that, I would like to point out that the argument included above has been used time and time again against progressive reform movements (women, black, gay, ethnic) to try and coerce them into a) assimilating, or b) shutting up. And personally, I find speaking out against oppressive behavior admirable, not objectionable. -- Melinda Shore shore@ncifcrf.gov NCI Supercomputer Facility ..!uunet!ncifcrf.gov!shore
clong@topaz.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) (12/07/88)
In article <1991@stiatl.UUCP>, John DeArmond writes: > I'll volunteer my time to administer such a fund if there is any interest. > I'll also kick in a couple of hundred bucks to get it going. I'll help in any way, shape, or form that I can also. I'd love to see that weasel-faced git show up on Usenet again, now. -- Chris (Munson)-Long "The proofs are so obvious that they can be left to the reader." Lars V. Ahlfors, _Complex Analysis_
jbuck@epimass.EPI.COM (Joe Buck) (12/07/88)
In article <4969@bsu-cs.UUCP> dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) writes: >>Richmond's campaign against ethnic jokes is doing much, much more to >>harm the image of the Jew among non-Jews than rec.humor.funny could >>ever have done. In article <680@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> shore@ncifcrf.gov (Melinda Shore) writes: >I agree that it was *completely* inappropriate for Jonathan Richmond to >try and depose Brad Templeton and, failing that, go to the press. >However, having said that, I would like to point out that the argument >included above has been used time and time again against progressive >reform movements (women, black, gay, ethnic) to try and coerce them >into a) assimilating, or b) shutting up. And personally, I find speaking >out against oppressive behavior admirable, not objectionable. I second what Melinda has to say. Richmond's campaign is destructive and harmful to the net. But Rahul's comment, and other similar ones, are extremely unfortunate. It's not up to Jonathan Richmond or anyone else to uphold the "image of the Jew", as if there is such a thing, and to make remarks like this is only one step away from alleging that Jews have an "image problem" because types like Richmond are common. That is, it's right on the edge of coming off as a bigoted remark. -- - Joe Buck jbuck@epimass.epi.com, or uunet!epimass.epi.com!jbuck, or jbuck%epimass.epi.com@uunet.uu.net for old Arpa sites I am of the opinion that my life belongs to the whole community, and as long as I live it is my privilege to do for it whatever I can. -- G. B. Shaw
campbell@redsox.UUCP (Larry Campbell) (12/07/88)
In article <680@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> shore@ncifcrf.gov (Melinda Shore) writes: } ... And personally, I find speaking }out against oppressive behavior admirable, not objectionable. Hey, I'm of Scottish descent. Can I be oppressed, too? "Look! He's oppressing me! Brad Templeton is oppressing me! You saw it, didn't you? OOH! Look! There he goes again! OOH! He oppressed me again! I have witnesses! OOH! OOH!" -- Larry Campbell The Boston Software Works, Inc. campbell@bsw.com 120 Fulton Street wjh12!redsox!campbell Boston, MA 02146
jkg@gatech.edu (Jim Greenlee) (12/07/88)
OK, I give up. I can identify most of the major players in this little melodrama, but just who the hell is "Sue, the bastard"? Jim Greenlee -- Jim Greenlee - Instructor, School of ICS, Georgia Tech jkg@gatech.edu Cato said, "I had rather men should ask why my statue is not set up, than why it is." - Plutarch
bga@raspail.UUCP (Bruce Albrecht) (12/07/88)
In article <1991@stiatl.UUCP>, john@stiatl.UUCP (John DeArmond) writes:
] [insults to Richmond deleted]
]
] What I think needs to be done is for us in the Usenet community to form
] a legal defense fund so that Brad can file a libel suit against this [insult
] deleted] and his cohorts in the newspapers. The one way to crush such drivel
] is through their pocketbooks. If Brad does not have the time, then surely
] we can find someone else who has been slandered or libeled.
]
] [more insults to Richmond deleted]
]
] I'll volunteer my time to administer such a fund if there is any interest.
] I'll also kick in a couple of hundred bucks to get it going.
]
] What do you think, netlanders? Are we going to let [another insult
] deleted] ruin the net for everybody? I sure hope not. Let's get a
] discussion going. I've changed the subject line to "Sue the Bastard"
] to reflect the new subject thread. Lets talk it up and get moving!!
]
] John De Armond
] gatech!stiatl!john
I wonder if Jonathan Richmond would have a case for suing people like you for
describing him as you did in this posting. I believe that Richmond was overly
sensitive about the original joke, and I don't think he should have complained
to the newspapers about this. However, I think the idea of suing Richmond
because he is trying to fight anti-semitism as he sees it is stupid and petty
minded. I doubt that this will be remembered more than a week or two by the
general public, and will have little effect on the net, unless people like
you keep make inflammatory statements about the principal parties (Templeton,
Richmond, etc.).roger@esquire.UUCP (Roger Reid) (12/08/88)
In article <4969@bsu-cs.UUCP> dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) writes: > >Richmond's campaign against ethnic jokes is doing much, much more to >harm the image of the Jew among non-Jews than rec.humor.funny could >ever have done. > It is not the task of Jews to make the rest of the world like them. If you think that is the whole point then [rude suggestion deleted]. Racism is racism and should be fought as such. -- Ro {rutgers|phri|cucard}!cmcl2!esquire!roger roger@woof.columbia.edu "Your face was open so I just moved in." -Rhukilenya
dc@gcm (Dave Caswell) (12/08/88)
In article <4969@bsu-cs.UUCP> dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) writes:
.Richmond's campaign against ethnic jokes is doing much, much more to
.harm the image of the Jew among non-Jews than rec.humor.funny could
.ever have done.
Just because one (or X where X is less than the total population) Jewish
person is making a stink about something doesn't cause my opinion to change
of all Jewish people. I just think there is one Jewish person who happens
to be acting inappropriately. There is no tendancy to think he is somehow
representative of all Jewish people. The image of Jews hasn't been harmed;
not by the joke - and certainly not by Mr. Richmond.
--
Dave Caswell
Greenwich Capital Markets uunet!philabs!gcm!dckenny@felix.UUCP ( __Lizzard et al) (12/08/88)
In article <1991@stiatl.UUCP> john@stiatl.UUCP (John DeArmond) writes: > >What I think needs to be done is for us in the Usenet community to form >a legal defense fund so that Brad can file a libel suit against this asshole >and his cohorts in the newspapers. The one way to crush such drivel is >through their pocketbooks. If Brad does not have the time, then surely >we can find someone else who has been slandered or libeled. > If it comes down to a legal defense fund for Brad, there wouldn't be much problem getting support from the net. However, I do not think that it is in the best interests of Usenet to start such a fund to sue Mr. Richmond for libel. Besides, shouldn't that be Brad's decision? Let's just ignore Mr. Richmond for the time being, and soon he will crawl back into the heap of rotting vegatation from which he came. __Lizzard kenny@felix
karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) (12/10/88)
In article <1991@stiatl.UUCP> john@stiatl.UUCP (John DeArmond) writes: >What I think needs to be done is for us in the Usenet community to form >a legal defense fund so that Brad can file a libel suit against this asshole >and his cohorts in the newspapers. > >I'll volunteer my time to administer such a fund if there is any interest. >I'll also kick in a couple of hundred bucks to get it going. Here's a pledge of a $5.00 donation... where do I send the check. It's about time that we had the guts to do something about this kind of nonsense. C'mon, net people, let's get going. Off your duffs -- every buck helps! -- Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, ddsw1!karl) Data: [+1 312 566-8912], Voice: [+1 312 566-8910] Macro Computer Solutions, Inc. "Quality solutions at a fair price"
shore@ncifcrf.gov (Melinda Shore) (12/10/88)
In article <2413@ddsw1.MCS.COM> karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM(Karl Denninger) writes: >C'mon, net people, let's get going. Off your duffs -- every buck helps! Yeah, that's it -- let's get *even*! Doing something nasty to somebody else sure helps make my day. C'mon, net people, vengeance is stupid. Offering a net feed to Brad really is a great way (i.e. constructive, positive) to deal with the situation, as is putting in a good word for him at Waterloo. I fail to see how persecuting Jonathan Richmond will help. -- Melinda Shore shore@ncifcrf.gov NCI Supercomputer Facility ..!uunet!ncifcrf.gov!shore
crscott@sdrc.UUCP (Scott_Klosterman) (12/15/88)
In article <569@redsox.UUCP>, campbell@redsox.UUCP (Larry Campbell) writes: ] In article <680@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> shore@ncifcrf.gov (Melinda Shore) writes: ] } ... And personally, I find speaking ] }out against oppressive behavior admirable, not objectionable. ] ] Hey, I'm of Scottish descent. Can I be oppressed, too? "Look! He's ] oppressing me! Brad Templeton is oppressing me! You saw it, didn't you? ] OOH! Look! There he goes again! OOH! He oppressed me again! I have ] witnesses! OOH! OOH!" COME and see the violence inherent in the system!! COME and see the violence inherent in the system!!
eder@ssc-vax.UUCP (Dani Eder) (12/19/88)
In article <688@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov>, shore@ncifcrf.gov (Melinda Shore) writes: > In article <2413@ddsw1.MCS.COM> karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM(Karl Denninger) writes: > >C'mon, net people, let's get going. Off your duffs -- every buck helps! > > Yeah, that's it -- let's get *even*! Doing something nasty to somebody > else sure helps make my day. > HEY, LETS S U E THEM BASTARDS! I'M TIRED OF TAKING THIS KIND OF A B U S E! Uh, did you say sue which bastards? SUE A L L THE BASTARDS! SEND PROCESS SERVERS AFTER THE KIDS THAT THROW THE PAPERS ON YOUR LAWN! ARREST THE GUY WITH THE SANDWICH TRUCK THAT SELLS THE REPORTERS LUNCH! [foam at mouth, chew on keyboard, jump up and down waving fist] " " || [big smiley face] \________/ ---- -- Dani Eder / Boeing / Space Station Program / uw-beaver!ssc-vax!eder (205)464-4150(w) (205)461-7801(h) 1075 Dockside Drive #905 Huntsville, AL 35824 34 40 N latitude 86 40 W longitude +100m altitude, Earth