[comp.society] Computer Connections to the USSR

imprint@orchid.waterloo.edu (Doug Thompson) (10/20/87)

[From Usenet]

Last Spring, I tried to set up an e-mail link with the USSR.
Got encouraging response from low-level people at the USRR
embassy in Ottawa. But when we got to the nitty gritty they
just stopped answering letters, and I got too busy to pursue
it.

This much has been discovered however. There are comptuers
in the USSR. The Soviets make an Apple 128 clone. Like
ourselves, most universities in the USSR have Computer
Science departments. The load on a mini or mainframe for
communciation work is generally quite trivial, for modest
volumes, so I don't think computing capacity would be a
limiting factor.

Right now a number of student newspapers in Canada are
exchanging news by mail with a number of student papers in
the USSR. (that's regular Canada Post). Novosti News Agency
in Moscow is providing most of the translation. Their
material arrives neatly printed on dot-matrix printers, so
obviously they have computers.

As FidoNet is continuing to show us, you don't *need* a mini
to operate news and mail. A dedicated IBM PC can handle very
substantial volumes. If it can be had on the streets of
Taiwan for $500, I think the Soviets could get such hardware
easily if they wanted.

At one point the USSR embassy in Ottawa offered to use their
data-line to Moscow as a gateway (they have PC clones) for
FidoNet transfer for the student news exchange. Then they
suddenly cooled down.

Since Fido/unix gateways already exist (one operates right
here) there is no real technical problem in the Soviets
using IBM micros for their end. I suspect whatever minis or
mainframes they have are of very different architecture to
what we are used to.

As for telephone lines, I really don't know. But if a major
university wanted to do it, and had the political permission
to do so, I doubt this would present too much of a problem,
even if a call had to be operator handled in all cases. You
can make a uucp/fidonet connection manually if you have to.

It seems that Glasnost in the UUSR is eliciting two very
different reactions. Wild enthusiasm (especially on the part
of young intellectuals) and a great deal of cautious
optimism on the part of bureaucrats. The latter do not know
if the "liberalization" is permanent. Like bureaucrats
everywhere, when the political environment is uncertain,
they play it safe. None want to take the risk of pushing for
such a link, it seems. Safer to do nothing. Then if the
current regime falls, and a more tradtional, conservative
regime replaces it, they are safe. If they become too
closely
identified with liberalization and it ends, they will
probably end too.

I think the Politburo would go for this kind of thing, it
seems to be in line with their current strategy. I think
practicing academics would go for this, especially Computer
Scientists in the USSR. (at least there are some who would).

Probably the way to accomplish it is to approach from the
top and the bottom like that, and let *them* deal with the
ones in the middle. If we can get some Soviet academic
colleagues enthused, and if we can present the idea to the
Politburo (I wonder how one would do that), the combination
might get some action out of the bureaucrats.

Finland is an excellent place to do this from. Start with
asking for a link to that country. Not very radical in the
USSR. But once there is a channel to Finland, there is a
channel to the world. 

Yugoslavia does (last time I looked at the map) have a uucp
site.

I have seen msgs from Poland in Usenet news, in the
newsgroup comp.sys.atari.8bit -- though that was nearly a
year ago. A Pole had brought an Atari computer from the US
and was begging netters to send him software. I have no idea
how he made his link to Usenet. Perhpas he dialed a Usenet
machine in Germany?

Soviet commercial televion is broadcast to Ottawa via
satellite right now, as a result of a joint venture between
Carelton and (I dunno who in the USSR). It was arranged by
the USSR embassy. Data can, of course, also be transmitted
by satellite, and occupies a much narrower band-width. If
they can get TV here, getting a good phone line is a snap,
if there is the will to do it.

I suspect it will take people on both ends pushing for it in
order to make it happen. Don't expect the USSR bureaucrats
to call you up and suggest it!

As for the "security" concerns, I suspect a data line is
cheaper and easier to monitor than a voice line for
"security risks". Who, in their right mind, would put any
sensitive material out over Usenet and/or Fidonet? If US
regulations on information export to the USSR are a problem
then just forget the US and do it from Canada or Finland
where such problems do not appear to be of the same
magnitude. I doubt if the US security people will try to
stop academic dialogue with Canada or Finland! So what if
the material gets forwarded? I'm no expert on security
agaencies, but it seems that any security threat is much
more imaginary than real.

Further, you can be sure that Soviet "agents" can, if they
want, read everything on Usenet. If any student at this
university can, any "agent" who wants to can also get
access. So there is nothing "secret" on Usenet.

Getting a two-way link with the USSR requires that critical
people in the USSR do the necessary work to establish it.
Since e-mail networks are something that most Soviets have
never heard of, this is unlikely to occur spontaneously.
Somebody has to push.

Doug Thompson
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