[comp.society] C&S Digest, Vol 3, No 17

taylor@hpdstma.hp.com (Dave Taylor) (07/22/88)

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|  Computers &                                       Tuesday, July 5, 1988  |
|  Society                                                      Volume   3  |
|  Digest                                                       Number  17  |
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|      Editor and Publisher: Dave Taylor, Hewlett-Packard Company           |
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Contents:

 Libraries of the Future ..................................... Eugene N. Miya
 Technopinions ........................................ (rockwell.henr@Xerox)
 Urban Legends ..................................................... GR Meyer
 Word Processing Words ............................................. GR Meyer

[A simple plea from the editor: when you submit things for the digest,
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                          Re: Libraries of the Future
           Eugene N. Miya    (hplabs!ames!pioneer.arc.nasa.gov!eugene)

I will take a stab.

The challenge to libraries will come in the combination and reconciliation
of different types of media.  Currently, a customer needs to run from one
place in the library to another: card catalog, to stacks, to say reference,
then back to stacks.  Computers are evolving into multiple window systems
(BTW: See the Xerox "Orange and Whites," papers by Goldberg and Kay on
Personal Dynamic Media, Steve Weyer's [now at H-P] PARC PhD thesis on
traversing a dynabook, and Alan Borning's PhD thesis as well.)

The problem is we have this information on paper, disks (optical and
magnetic), video tape, etc.  We can't easily mix these things together.
Libraries have the borrowed out problem: only one copy, the one I want.
This has to change, but at what cost to things like copyright law.
Perhaps libraries will have to start charging for use, but I do know that
libraries aren't changing fast enough for me.

It's shame, but I also don't want to imply the use of rigid standards.
The complexity of change in media is ge`reater than exponential (and you
thought all libraries had to deal with was books).  I suspect we should have
a system like Japan's living treasures of people keeping knowledge as well.
Wow expert systems from your library.

Eugene Miya

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                                 Technopinions
                              (rockwell.henr@Xerox.COM)

I have wanted to respond to some of the articles in the latest digest as well 
as pass along several datums and opinions. 

On Future Libraries:

My own opinion is that libraries are going to disappear, replaced by
pay-as-you-go info services and advances in entertainment technologies. Two
things will cause this. First, some megacorp or startup will put a mega/tera 
bit fiber optic cable into every home.Myriads of companies will then use that
bandwidth to replace the library in fufilling their needs for both information
and pleasure. Second, as has been discussed in the Digest, there is already a
large need for better display technology to combine the best elements of books
and computers. Once that's solved, one will only have to plug into the closest
port, be it the home or work and download whatever. 

The only people who will go to libraries then will be the people {like myself}
who love libraries, love to browse, and like books. And that won't be enough
people to support public libraries.

On what to do with all those MIPS:

I can think several things that will soak up some MIPS. 

1. Object oriented programming will continue to escape from AI into the
conventional world. Object oriented C's and databases are out or coming. 
2. There is still no conventional equivalent to the LISP programming environment

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                                  Urban Legends
                    (TK0GRM1%NIU.BITNET@CORNELLC.CCS.CORNELL.EDU)

It seems to me that there is one bit of computer folklore that we are 
leaving out.  Namely, the "rumor" that Single Sided floppy disks can be 
used in Double Sided drives with no ill effect.  This statement is 
usually accompianed by a declaration that Computer X writes to the top 
of SS disks while Computer Y writes to the bottom of SS disks therefore 
disk manufacturers must "certify" both sides of a SS disk because they 
don't know what type of computer the disk will be used on.  The extra 
money that one pays for DS disks is wasted on the "supposed" difference.

I've seen this debate arise many times, and have been told by many 
people that it is either the truth, or totally false.  There is presently 
a thread about this topic on the Atari ST newsgroup.  Regardless of 
the "truth" in this case, I think it qualifies as an urban legend
folklore in that it seems to have taken on a life of its own, is 
repeated many times in slightly different forms, and to my knowledge 
has never really been confirmed or denied.

GR Meyer

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                               Word Processing Words
                    (TK0GRM1%NIU.BITNET@CORNELLC.CCS.CORNELL.EDU)

I have seen a number of manuscripts (some of them actually
published!) where the author states something to this effect...

  "Above/below I have discussed the implications blah blah"

and all to often (to my liking) the refered to discussion
occurs several (2-5) pages later.  Now I may be stretching a
point here, but when I read "above" or "below" I assume that
the author is refering to a point made (or to be made)
relatively soon.  

When I see an example of this it gives me the impression that 
the document was written/edited on a word processor and the author 
is refering to "above/below" in a more physical sense.  A false 
assumption that I think is bred by the screen scroll of the word 
processing software. 

This effect (for which I don't have name) is enforced even more when
one is using a GEM (or Macintosh) based program that presents a 
slider-bar for scrolling through the manuscript.  When (or should I 
say if) screen size increases enough to allow an entire page to be 
viewed at once will word processing software be written to emulate 
a more "paper-like" environment?

Will the now familar scrolling text be replaced by a more traditional 
"page turning" effect? (Hey..I'm not asking for animation don't get 
me wrong.)  Comments anyone?

GR Meyer

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