[comp.protocols.appletalk] KIP code vs ultrix

custead@sask.UUCP (Der cuss) (10/29/87)

We are using kinetics boxes to reach a variety of ethernet hosts.

Whenever we telnet from a mac to an ULTRIX host, the connection hangs
after a small number (20 to 50) lines of output.  (There is no problem
connecting and logging in.)  A typical symptom is to issue 'who' or 'ls'
and get ONE line of output, including cr-lf, then hang.  After about
a minute the connection closes, apparently due to a timeout.

This problem occurs with both SU-MACIP and NCSA Telnet, so I suspect
the problem is in the interaction of the KIP code with Ultrix.

The problem does NOT occur when going to a host running UNIX or VMS.

We are running the 0987 KIP code, although the 0287 release behaves
the same.  We are running Ultrix 1.2 and 2.0.

The KIP code works fine when using TCP/IP with non-ultrix hosts.
And telnet from these hosts to the ultrix hosts also works.
So we don't know what might be causing this.

Is anyone using KIP and Telnet with ULTRIX?  Successfully?
Are we missing something?

				Larry R. Custead
				Univ of Saskatchewan

				ihnp4!sask!custead
				custead@sask.bitnet

meltsner@athena.mit.edu (Ken Meltsner) (10/30/87)

Try setting "-trailers" in the ifconfig qe0 in your /etc/rc.local

The default appears to be "trailers" and whenever a long packet gets
sent, the Telnet will hang.

"-trailers" did it for us.
[I have only a vague idea of what a trailer is, anyway, but this solution comes
from our local network guru.]
				--Ken

cck@CUNIXC.COLUMBIA.EDU.UUCP (10/31/87)

We've used all versions of KIP sucessfully with Ultrix 1.0 through
Ultrix 2.0-1.  Since the KIP model has IP packets on DDP forwarded
through the Kinetics box, it is unlikely that it is a problem with
the IP in KIP - though it does have some interaction with the
outgoing pkt.

In any event, given that you made a connection, it sounds far more
likely that there is a problem at the TCP or TN level.  One problem
that affects 4.3 & Ultrix 1.2 & Ultrix 2.0 sites is a problem with
the Telnet TCP window.  When you see this, output stops for no good reason;
however, you can resume it by hitting a return, etc.  I forgot the
details of why this happens, but if you bring up the Telnet low
window close to the Telnet window on the pc/mac, then the problem
goes away (hitting the return seems to expand the window).

This may or may not be related to the problem you are seeing.

We've used NCSA Telnet without problems, but I adjusted the windows to
the recommended values (something like 512 all around for AppleTalk).
The old MacIP package (in MPW) had to tweaked - I had to adjust the
Telnet low and high windows (first saw this problem on the PC version
of MacIP - PCIP).

Charlie C. Kim
User Services
Columbia University