naftoli@aecom.UUCP (12/04/87)
Just thought you'd be interested to know that Apple has decided
to rename AppleTalk to LocalTalk. I guess this is because "AppleTalk"
is not the only "Talk" anymore (e.g., EtherTalk). This is per the head
of TCP/IP work at Apple who attended the TCP/IP Interoperability
conference and discussed Apple's plans to provide a standardized
TCP/IP driver which any application could use. (A file which will
live in the System Folder will load the driver into the System Heap.)
He talked about the several things they are working including LocalTalk
over IP, IP over LocalTalk, and Proxy Ethernet over LocalTalk. Nifty
stuff.
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Robert N. Berlinger naftoli@aecom.yu.edu
Supervisor of Systems Support
Albert Einstein College of Medicine Compuserve: 73047,741
UUCP: ...{philabs,cucard,pegasus,rocky2}!aecom!naftoli GEnie: R.Berlingerhoney@CITI.UMICH.EDU (Peter Honeyman) (12/05/87)
AppleTalk is the protocol suite, LocalTalk is the wire plant. peter
mdr@reed.UUCP (Mike Rutenberg) (12/06/87)
In a recent article, naftoli@aecom.YU.EDU (Robert N. Berlinger) writes: > Apple has decided to rename AppleTalk to LocalTalk. LocalTalk looks like it is also "Improved". The connectors are now postitive locking - it should be a lot harder to disconnect half your network without doing it intentionally. Yea! Mike -- Reed College -- Portland, Oregon -- 503/775-7003 (before 9am)
rmh@apple.UUCP (12/07/87)
In article <1477@aecom.YU.EDU> naftoli@aecom.YU.EDU (Robert N. Berlinger) writes: >Just thought you'd be interested to know that Apple has decided >to rename AppleTalk to LocalTalk. I guess this is because "AppleTalk" >is not the only "Talk" anymore (e.g., EtherTalk). Right. The rename is mainly to avoid a confusion between the "Apple Personal Network" (the little white cables that hook together your Macs, LaserWriters, and so on) and "AppleTalk", which is a set of network protocols. Used to be, AppleTalk ran only on the Apple Personal Network, so there was little need to distinguish them. They were lumped together and both called "AppleTalk". But now, AppleTalk runs on a variety of different media. The only part that changes is the Link Access Protocol; the higher-level protocols are unchanged. The entire protocol stack is called "LocalTalk" when it runs over the Apple Personal Network; "EtherTalk" when it runs over EtherNet. One can also run AppleTalk over other media such as phone lines and fiber optic cable; these have no special names from Apple because they're not Apple products. ========================================================================== Rick Holzgrafe | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh Communications Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1 (I don't look often) Apple Computer, Inc. | "All opinions expressed are mine, and do 20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 27-Y | not necessarily represent those of my Cupertino, CA 95014 | employer, Apple Computer Inc."
rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) (12/08/87)
In article <6916@apple.UUCP> rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) writes: > [...] "AppleTalk", which is a set of network >protocols. (*Sigh*) Some days, it just don't pay to get out of bed. Not three hours after I posted the above, a memo came down from on high pointing out that AppleTalk is not *just* a set of network protocols. AppleTalk is a network *system* which *includes* a full-function suite of network protocols. ("So what's the difference?" I hear you ask.) The difference is that when you buy a Mac, you get the AppleTalk *system*: a complete set of drivers, hardware, and system software for running AppleTalk over the Apple Personal Network. This includes accessing printers and AppleShare file servers and other goodies, all built-in, no installation necessary. (I'm speaking of the users' workstations, of course. Server and spooler software you gotta buy separate, and they take just a wee bit of installation on their host machines.) (BTW, the Apple Thought Police won't come after you if you misuse the term "AppleTalk". But they WILL come after ME!! :-) Sorry if the above sounds more like advertising copy than proper net discussion. Having put my foot in my mouth trying to explain a distinction we at Apple think is important, I now need to pry it out and correct myself. (Sound like a popping champagne cork, accompanied by painful, muffled grunting...) ========================================================================== Rick Holzgrafe | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh Communications Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1 (I don't look often) Apple Computer, Inc. | "All opinions expressed are mine, and do 20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 27-Y | not necessarily represent those of my Cupertino, CA 95014 | employer, Apple Computer Inc."
rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) (12/10/87)
In article <6927@apple.UUCP> rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) writes: >that when you buy a Mac, you get the AppleTalk *system*: a complete >set of drivers, hardware, and system software for running AppleTalk >over the Apple Personal Network. This includes accessing printers >and AppleShare file servers and other goodies, all built-in, no ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >installation necessary. I wrote that as a correction to an earlier posting. Now I gotta correct my correction. I've been using AppleShare as a client for so long, I forgot the software didn't come as part of the standard system. It doesn't. Some folks were understandably confused by my error, and to anyone who was, I apologize. Note to Mark Sherman: thanks for pointing out my error. I've tried to respond directly to you; here's hoping the mailers can handle the return address. (And if Demosthenes thought it would improve his oration to practice with a half-dozen pebbles in his mouth, he should try it with ten toes wedged firmly in his throat. :-) ========================================================================== Rick Holzgrafe | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh Communications Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1 (I don't look often) Apple Computer, Inc. | "All opinions expressed are mine, and do 20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 27-Y | not necessarily represent those of my Cupertino, CA 95014 | employer, Apple Computer Inc."
howard@cpocd2.UUCP (Howard A. Landman) (12/10/87)
In article <6916@apple.UUCP> rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) writes: > [...] "AppleTalk", which is a set of network >protocols. In article <6927@apple.UUCP> rmh@apple.UUCP (Rick Holzgrafe) writes: >Not three hours after I posted the above, a memo came down >from on high pointing out that AppleTalk is not *just* a set >of network protocols. AppleTalk is a network *system* which >*includes* a full-function suite of network protocols. [Remainder of description elided] >(BTW, the Apple Thought Police won't come after you if you misuse >the term "AppleTalk". But they WILL come after ME!! :-) Hey, lighten up, Rick! You're not the only one at Apple who is confused. Perhaps you should send a copy of the ad on pages 12-13 of the Dec. 7 issue of Computerworld to the source of your "memo from on high". "... the Macintosh network is here and now. It's called AppleTalk.(R) "AppleTalk is a networking protocol ..." - from Apple ad mentioned above The ad was titled "MIS manager buys Macintosh, keeps job." -- Howard A. Landman {oliveb,hplabs}!intelca!mipos3!cpocd2!howard howard%cpocd2.intel.com@RELAY.CS.NET Dharma, Artha, and Kama: the three musketeers?