[comp.protocols.appletalk] Appletalk distance rules

eshop@saturn.ucsc.edu (Jim Warner) (04/28/88)

Appologies ahead of time: the discussion below delves into
"mere hardware."  I haven't seen a discussion of this pass
by on this list.

"Inside Appletalk" makes some specific recommendations about
how to build an Appletalk physical interface.  They recommend
using a 26LS30 transmitter with +5V and -5V supplies to drive
the transformer.  They admit that using "standard RS422 components
(power supplies of +5 volts and ground)" may be done with some
loss of drive capability.

My estimate is that using dual supplies over single supplies 
offers an advantage of about 8 dB.  My investigations to date show
that Macs and LaserWriters use the recommended drive scheme while
Kinetics FastPath gateways and Farallon PhoneNet Star Controllers
do not.  The signal loss of 1500 ft of 22 ga wire is about 8 dB at
200 KHz.  This means that a PhoneNet setup can be that much larger
if the attached devices are restricted to Macs and Laserwriters than
if K-boxes are included in the network.  If a K-box is positioned
in the middle of an extended (linear) network the favorable position
will tend to make up for the lower output level.

My objective is to discover some rules for configuring extended 
phone net installations that can be guaranteed to yield success
without a lot hand tweaking.  I must admit that I don't trust the
guidelines given in the Farallon literature.  I'm not so much
interested in hearing stories like "I tried xxx and it worked."
Does anyone have any suggestions for e.g. minimum receive level
at any point in the network or max attenuation between most distant
stations at what frequency?


jim warner
Sr Development Engineer
University of Ca Santa Cruz

Andrew_Palms@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU (05/20/88)

Jim-  If you get any answers to your questions about PhoneNET,
I'd like to hear them.  We've been having the same problems it
sounds like you've been having.
 
Andrew Palms
LAN Group Manager
University of Michigan