frankh@durin.sparta.COM (Frank Halsema) (08/22/89)
I am looking for a way to get mail from my Sun mail gateway to the desktop
Mac's without having to use telnet. I have a Sun running 4.0.3 connected to
the appletalk network using a kinetics. I have CAP running to link the Sun
Network with the Apple Laserwriters on appletalk. I have a number of Mac's
most of which are 1MB machines.
I know this topic has been discussed before. In fact I have a set of postings
from April. However, I haven't been able to keep up lately. I am wondering if
there are new products and public domain solutions.
Please responed by E-Mail. I have been swamped lately and just can't keep up
with the mail.
Thanks!! *
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Frank Halsema /\* *
SPARTA, Inc. / .\*
23041 de la Carlota, Suite 400 / /\.\
Laguna Hills Ca, 92653 / .\. \
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UUCP: durin!frankh *\.\/ /
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*** \/bwk@mbunix.mitre.org (Barry W. Kort) (08/23/89)
In article <1555@durin.sparta.COM> frankh@durin.sparta.COM (Frank Halsema) writes: > I am looking for a way to get mail from my Sun mail gateway to the desktop > Mac's without having to use telnet. I have a Sun running 4.0.3 connected to > the appletalk network using a kinetics. I have CAP running to link the Sun > Network with the Apple Laserwriters on appletalk. I have a number of Mac's > most of which are 1MB machines. We have begun using a QuickMail to Unix Mail bridge using a Star-9 controller. MIT has also released a free QuickMail to Unix package called QUE. Neither of these are "plug and play", but if you are willing to do the technical work, you can achieve your goal with either of these packages. Both require Sun Unix as the host machine. --Barry Kort
kdb@intercon.uu.net (Kurt Baumann) (08/25/89)
In article <21555@cup.portal.com>, wetter@cup.portal.com (Pierce T Wetter) writes: > > Someone at Apple is working on the Packet Radio stuff, but I don't > remember his name. > > pierce:x I could be wrong, but last I knew it was a person from Bell Labs, called Phil Karn who was doing that work. -- Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation 46950 Community Plaza Suite 101-132 Sterling, VA 22170 Phone: 703.450.7117
desnoyer@apple.com (Peter Desnoyers) (08/25/89)
In article <1401@intercon.UUCP> kdb@intercon.uu.net (Kurt Baumann) writes: > In article <21555@cup.portal.com>, wetter@cup.portal.com (Pierce T Wetter) > writes: > > > > Someone at Apple is working on the Packet Radio stuff, but I don't > > remember his name. > > > > pierce:x > > I could be wrong, but last I knew it was a person from Bell Labs, called > Phil Karn who was doing that work. > -- > Kurt Baumann > Bell Communications Research (Bellcore), not Bell Labs. I think his address is karn@thumper.bellcore.com. I assume his call letters are KA9Q, as that is the name of the packet radio TCP/IP package he has produced for the PC. You can find it on simtel20 and other FTP sites. Peter Desnoyers Apple ATG (408) 974-4469
humtech@ucschu.UCSC.EDU (Mark Frost) (08/28/89)
In article <65289@linus.UUCP> bwk@mbunix (Kort) writes: > >We have begun using a QuickMail to Unix Mail bridge using a Star-9 >controller. MIT has also released a free QuickMail to Unix package >called QUE. Neither of these are "plug and play", but if you are >willing to do the technical work, you can achieve your goal with >either of these packages. Both require Sun Unix as the host machine. > >--Barry Kort We are evaluating the StarNine software. Is the stuff from MIT as good? Better? How can I get it? Thanx Mark Frost Office of the the Computing Coordinator Humanities Division University of California at Santa Cruz (408) 429-4603 Internet: humtech@ucschu.UCSC.EDU Bitnet: humtech@ucschu.bitnet Uucp: ...!ucbvax!ucscc!ucschu!humtech
shmuli@shum.Huji.AC.IL (Shmuel Browns) (08/30/89)
In article <1555@durin.sparta.COM> you write: >I am looking for a way to get mail from my Sun mail gateway to the desktop >Mac's without having to use telnet... Originally I emailed this note but since everyone else is talking about CE QuickMail and *9 stuff, I thought I'd post this alternative for those with a Kinetics box running CAP... Check out the PieceMail package from Univ. of Minnesota which modifies AUFS slightly so that a background user csh script can copy mail between /usr/spool/mail/you and a Mac folder on the Sun server - in this way your mail is delivered automatically to your Mac when you mount the mail volume. Nick Jackiw has a very nice init & CDEV, called ChainMail, that works with PieceMail to notify the user of arrival of mail. PieceMail is available via ftp from berlin.acss.umn.edu (128.101.193.1) in the pub directory piecemial.tar (use binary transfer) or you can contact Farhad Anklesaria fxa@berlin.acss.umn.edu or UMNACVX.BITNET ChainMail was recently posted to comp.binaries or you could contact Nick at jackiw@cs.swarthmore.edu The other solution is to use a POP server as the post office - Stanford has a solution with their SU-Mac/IP package that uses POP for incoming mail and SMTP for outgoing mail to a MH-POP server (on Unix); Minnesota has just finished a HyperCard stack that uses Apple's MacTCP drivers to send and receive SMTP email to a POP2 server. Contact for SU-Mac/IP is macip@jessica.stanford.edu POPmail HyperCard stack & POP2 server daemon is available from pub/POPmail on boombox.micro.umn.edu (128.101.95.95); contact is same Farhad@boombox or George Gonzalez, grg@boombox That's about it, I've been following this subject pretty closely. If you have any other questions send me a note. If you decide to pick up the POP stuff from UMN could you mail me a copy since we don't have ftp access to US from here. Shmuel --- Shmuel Browns, Macintosh & Unix Technical Support VOICE: +972-2-584539 MAIL: Computer Centre, Taylor #110, Hebrew University, Jerusalem 91904 ISRAEL BITNET: SHMULI@HUJINIX CSNET & INTERNET: shmuli@shum.huji.ac.il Shmuel Browns, Macintosh & Unix Technical Support VOICE: +972-2-584539 MAIL: Computer Centre, Taylor #110, Hebrew University, Jerusalem 91904 ISRAEL BITNET: SHMULI@HUJINIX CSNET & INTERNET: shmuli@shum.huji.ac.il
bwk@mbunix.mitre.org (Barry W. Kort) (08/31/89)
In article <8903@saturn.ucsc.edu> humtech@ucschu.UCSC.EDU.UUCP (Mark Frost) writes: > In article <65289@linus.UUCP> bwk@mbunix (Barry Kort) writes: > > We have begun using a QuickMail to Unix Mail bridge using a Star-9 > > controller. MIT has also released a free QuickMail to Unix package > > called QUE. Neither of these are "plug and play", but if you are > > willing to do the technical work, you can achieve your goal with > > either of these packages. Both require Sun Unix as the host machine. > We are evaluating the StarNine software. Is the stuff from MIT > as good? Better? How can I get it? You can obtain QUE by anonymous FTP from sumex.stanford.edu in /info-mac/comm as que-11.hqx. You can contact the QUE developers at bug-que@goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu. As of this writing I have no information on the comparative performance of QUE vis-a-vis the StarNine bridge. --Barry Kort MITRE Network Center
rewing@Apple.COM (Richard Ewing) (08/31/89)
You have a few options on the Mac side but only one real company of connectivity choice: Star*Nine. They currently ship an SMTP mail gateway that works with both Mac files and text mail to just about any Unix machine (or anything else that supports SMTP. Their product as of right now only links to CE's Quickmail, although they promise links to Microsoft Mail, and Inbox. __________________________________________________________________________ |Disclaimer: Segmentation Fault: Core Dumped. | | | |Internet: REWING@APPLE.COM-----------------------Rick Ewing | |ApplelinkPE & MacNet Soon!------------------Apple Computer, Inc. | |Applelink: EWING--------------------100 Ashford Center North, Suite 100 | |Compu$erve: [76474,1732]--------------------Atlanta, GA 30338 | |GENIE: R.EWING1--------------------------TalkNet: (404) 393-9358 | |USENET: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!rewing | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
nishri@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Alex Nishri) (09/05/89)
In article <1555@durin.sparta.COM> you write: >I am looking for a way to get mail from my Sun mail gateway to the desktop >Mac's without having to use telnet... The University of Toronto Computing Services has written an SMTP server which runs on a Macintosh. The SMTP server picks up mail from a Macintosh folder and sends it to the appropriate internet host. It can also accept mail from any internet SMTP host and puts it into a Macintosh folder. We originally wrote the server on top of the CITI TCP/IP, but switched to the Apple MacTCP package when it became available, in order to take advantage of the improved performance, support of newer 68030 based machines, and vendor support. (This was done by writing a sockets interface for the Apple MacTCP package.) Using our SMTP server we have also written a simple CE Software QuickMail "bridge". The bridge is a simple QuickMail exit which is handed mail destined out of the LAN; it adds an 822 header and envelope and puts it in the folder used by the SMTP server. The bridge also finds files of mail that SMTP has received and delivers them to QuickMail. This software is now running successfully in internal alpha test. A Mac II acts as the QuickMail server, the QuickMail bridge, and the SMTP server. We have run into two problems thus far. The first problem is that the Mac II must be directly on an ethernet and not on a Localtalk behind a Gatorbox. This is because the Gatorbox (and Fastpath, we understand) do not handle TCP/IP packet fragmentation; most Internet SMTP servers use large packet sizes and these end up on the floor. The second problem is that for some reason the Mac II, which also runs Timbaktu, cannot be run without a video card and monitor once we install Apple MacTCP. (Since the Mac II server will sit in a closet, we don't want the expense of having to buy a video card and monitor for it. Timbaktu has a feature which uses RAM instead of the video card and permits remote screen access.) We have not resolved the second problem yet. Alex Nishri University of Toronto Computing Services
budd@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Philip Budne) (09/13/89)
In article <1989Sep5.121104.10155@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> nishri@gpu.utcs.UUCP (Alex Nishri) writes: >The first problem is that the Mac II must be directly on an ethernet >and not on a Localtalk behind a Gatorbox. This is because the >Gatorbox (and Fastpath, we understand) do not handle TCP/IP packet >fragmentation; most Internet SMTP servers use large packet sizes and >these end up on the floor. I seem to remember NCSA Telnet over localtalk sends a TCP MSS option requesting minimal (576) maximum segment size. The one MacTCP application I looked at sends an MSS request of 1024 when running over localtalk. Phil Budne, Boston University