jwk@SCRIPPS.EDU ("Two Sheds" Kupec) (09/15/89)
The Layout: A growing PhoneNet/StarController network gatewayed to an Ethernet via a FastPath 4. There will be various flavors of Macs and at least 8 LaserWriters. K-Star 7.0, and CAP are running. Question 1: What method is used to name the printers such that the users will see something like "room 2", "room 3", etc., in the Chooser window? Question 2: Is it possible to hide (using the above hardware/software) certain resources from users, i.e., not allow the users in Engineering to see the lasers in Accounting? If not possible now, what would be needed? Problem 1: Farallon's NodeHint doesn't work for me. I've tried it on an SE/30 and a Mac II. I'm using ATview to get the node info. Maybe ATview gets it's node information from a different place than that set by NodeHint? I don't have CheckNet or TrafficWatch. My first guess is that I would see the node hint set by "NodeHint" only if I were using the Farallon DA's. ATview seems to provide good info otherwise. Farallon could only say that "it should work". That's enough for now, TIA, John Kupec (jwk@scripps.edu) "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
paisley@MTE.NCSU.EDU (Mike) (09/16/89)
John Kupec (jwk@scripps.edu) writes: > Problem 1: Farallon's NodeHint doesn't work for me. I've tried it on > an SE/30 and a Mac II. I'm using ATview to get the node info. > Maybe ATview gets it's node information from a different place > than that set by NodeHint? I don't have CheckNet or TrafficWatch. > My first guess is that I would see the node hint set by > "NodeHint" only if I were using the Farallon DA's. ATview > seems to provide good info otherwise. Farallon could only say > that "it should work". John doesn't say what he means by doesn't work, so I'll ramble on about a few things that it COULD be: 1. AT View gets the node number that it displays from the node number that is broadcast by a named object on each machine. For Macs, this requires that either Responder or some equivalent INIT be running, or some other network service like e-mail, etc. be running on the machine you want to see. Things like LaserWriters and anything else that shows up as a service under Chooser also broadcast a named object that can be seen by AT View. Other network monitoring software will display info on unnamed nodes, but AT View won't. If you're not running one of those INITs/services, AT View will not see it. 2. NodeHint and the PD SetNode set the same section of parameter RAM that the Mac uses to take its first guess for its node number upon booting. Using either one requires that (a) you set it with the utility, (b) there is no other named or UNNAMED device with that number, (c) you must reboot the Mac for it to use the new hint. 3. For reasons that I don't understand, SOMETIMES a Mac will ignore the parameter RAM hint, and pick a new number. I (and others) have seen this occur on very small and stable networks (5 SE's and a LaserWriter). This does not happen, of course, if the machine is left on all the time. Perhaps it picks a new number if there is much (or any) traffic on the net when it tries to boot, I don't know. Would anyone from Apple care to comment? At any rate, nets where machines go up and down constantly, WILL NOT have very stable node numbers, only reasonably stable. If this doesn't address your specific problems, I'm sorry. Good luck. Michael J. Paisley PAISLEY@MTE.NCSU.EDU Materials Science & Engineering PAISLEY%MTE@NCSUVX.NCSU.EDU 229 Riddick Laboratories PAISLEY@NCSUMTE.BITNET Campus Box 7907 Office: (919) 737-7083 North Carolina State University Messages: (919) 737-2377 Raleigh, NC 27695-7907 FAX: (919) 737-3419