[comp.protocols.appletalk] Ethernet length

jwk@SCRIPPS.EDU ("Two Sheds" Kupec) (10/21/89)

Hi,
I've got an thick-wire Ethernet that may be running over the
max length restriction (500m = 1640ft).  I've asked the local
networking gurus the following and have not gotten the cut and
dried answer I seek:

	1. An N-type barrel connector equals how many feet of
	   thick coax?
	2. A tranceiver tap equals how many feet of thick coax?

To ask it another way:

What is the effective length of a 400' section of coax with n barrels 
and x taps?

TIA,

jwk@scripps.edu

c11234@D1.DARTMOUTH.EDU (Stan Dunten) (10/24/89)

We have a Time Domain Reflectometer (TDR). I use that to measure the total
loss of a coax segment, connectors, tranceivers, and all. The spec says
that the total loss should be less than 6 DB.

If you get your hands on a TDR be aware that it may send a positive pulse
which drives the tranceivers out of their linear range. We use a transformer
to invert the pulse.

Remember that I check a segment for total loss but recall seeing about -15
DB returns from tranceivers and -30 DB returns from connectors. Used an
Excel spreadsheet to convert DB returns to feet of cable:

Loss/Ft from enet spec = -6DB/(500M*3.28) = -0.0037 DB/Ft

Ref DB                         -10     -15     -20     -25     -30
Ref Power    10^(R2C/10)     0.100   0.032   0.010   0.003   0.001
For Power    1-R3C           0.900   0.968   0.990   0.997   0.999
For Loss DB  10*LOG10(R4C)  -0.458  -0.140  -0.044  -0.014  -0.004
Len Feet     R5C/-0.0037       125      38      12       4       1

So a tranceiver is good for 40' and a connector for 1'.

Disclamer: I wouldn't trust these numbers to within a factor of two.

We use 75 ohm low loss CATV coax ($.30/ft and about half the loss). Have
run segments of 3400'. With 50 ohm coax the impact of a tranceiver would be
less and a connector more.