[comp.protocols.appletalk] Backup Software that preserves AppleShare Privs

jwright@cfht.hawaii.edu (Jim Wright) (07/26/90)

On that elusive search for a good network backup program...

We called Fifth Generation about FastBack II, and this is what
we found out:

| Turns out it is a 
| tape drive with a 186MB cartridge plus the software to run it. You get
| the whole deal for an educational discount price of $767.25. Their tech
| support people said it will definately backup all the network info, but you
| have to shut down the file server to do it.

I can see a reason for shutting down the server, and we could probably
live with it.  But it would be better if we had a choice of "live" or
"static" backup.  We also have a number of syquest drives, and would like
to backup to them.  Finally, we need to be able to perform the backup
from a workstation rather than the server (which has no monitor/keyboard/
mouse).  Is there anything out there that will work?

--
Jim Wright
jwright@quonset.cfht.hawaii.edu
Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope Corp.

Beattie@SYSTEM-M.PHX.BULL.COM (Art Beattie) (07/26/90)

We use the Memorybank facility.  This includes a 1 giga-byte disk drive
from Northern Telcom (supposedly the same disks used in telephone COs),
a tape drive from Exabyte that uses 8mm video tape which will hold about
2.3 GB, and software.  Both units are mounted in one cabinet and use
SCSI for interfacing.

The disk space can be partitioned.  The software sets up 20MB for a
system partition.  The rest is up to the user.

We are currently using 2 of these cabinets.  They can be used for
AppleShare file servering or as a private external SCSI drive.

The software that comes with this hardware supports volume dumping and
file/folder dumping.  Volume dumping is just pipelining the data from
the disk to tape.  File/folder dumping walks the hierarchy dumping each
folder and file and keeping them separate on the tape, unlike volume
dumping.  Tapes written with a volume dump will only be good when you
need to restore a whole disk or partition.  The file/folder tapes are
useful for restoring individual files or folders to cover the times a
user accidentally deletes something or needs some previous version of a
file/folder.

The current software also allows either workstation or server
file/folder backups.  However, it will only perform these backups if
both the unit doing the backup and the unit being backed up are in the
same zone.  I am pressing to get this changed.  While the dump is in
progress, the user cannot not use their Mac.  This is not too
unreasonable as the backup does allow for a verification cycle.  Also,
its not good to be backing up a file that could be changed by the user
at the same time.  One of the options is to send out warning messages to
the users being affected.  Takes just over an hour to dump without
verification 76 MB when both units are connected via ethernet
connections (much longer if LocalTalk is used!).

The software can also run on top of AppleShare to do file or volume
backups of the same device it is using.  The only time that AppleShare
privileges are retained is when the device is volume dumped, not when it
is file dumped.  This will probably change with Sys7.

AppleShare has to be shutdown in order to do volume dumping.  Volume
dumping is quicker than file dumping, just over 3 hours with
verification.  A total file dump with verification of the same disk
takes about 18 hours, definitely a weekend exercise.  These times are
for a disk that is not full; there is currently about 753 MB in use.

Hope this is of some use.

We have no interest in the vender of this product except as a customer
of theirs.

Art Beattie
Bull HN Information Systems
Phoenix, AZ