kenw@noah.arc.ab.ca (Ken Wallewein) (07/28/90)
We need a centrally administered facility that does network backups to tape - preferably 8mm. It should provide flexible incremental, selective, and full backups. I know of NetStream by PCPC; it would probably do the job if one could get past that abysmal user interface. I think I read an oblique reference to another. What's out there -- anybody? /kenw
dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) (07/30/90)
In article <8111*kenw@noah.arc.ab.ca> kenw@noah.arc.ab.ca (Ken Wallewein) writes: > > We need a centrally administered facility that does network backups to >tape - preferably 8mm. It should provide flexible incremental, selective, >and full backups. I know of NetStream by PCPC; it would probably do >the job if one could get past that abysmal user interface. I would make very certain that it did what you wanted it to do. I used to use HFS Backup from PCPC, and found not only bugs (three of the four possible modes of backup were essentially unusable), but at least one dangerous misfeature (namely, that if you backed up only a particular type of file (documents, for example), incrementals to that backup would only backup files that were part of the original backup--new files, even those matching the original criteria, were NOT BACKED UP). I can't tolerate a buggy backup program. I switched to DiskFit. Less features, but more utility. Perhaps their other programs are better. Perhaps they've straightened out their act. -- Steve Dorner, U of Illinois Computing Services Office Internet: s-dorner@uiuc.edu UUCP: {convex,uunet}!uiucuxc!dorner
peirce@claris.com (Michael Peirce) (07/31/90)
In article <8111*kenw@noah.arc.ab.ca> kenw@noah.arc.ab.ca (Ken Wallewein) writes: > > We need a centrally administered facility that does network backups to >tape - preferably 8mm. It should provide flexible incremental, selective, >and full backups. I know of NetStream by PCPC; it would probably do >the job if one could get past that abysmal user interface. I think I read >an oblique reference to another. What's out there -- anybody? > >/kenw With the coming of System 7 and FileShare it seems like it should be possible to setup a network wide backup system very easily. Simply have each of your users setup (or setup for them) a BACKUP User that has access to all of their files (or at least those they want backed up). Then nightly (or whenever) you can mount their disks and backup them up as needed. Isn't system 7 fun! Claris Corp. | Michael R. Peirce -------------+-------------------------------------- | 5201 Patrick Henry Drive MS-C4 | Box 58168 | Santa Clara, CA 95051-8168 | (408) 987-7319 | AppleLink: peirce1 | Internet: peirce@claris.com | uucp: {ames,decwrl,apple,sun}!claris!peirce
sblair@synoptics.COM (Steven C. Blair) (07/31/90)
Why not just get in touch with MtXinu?? Their KAshare runs just like Appletalk over the ethernet to a Sun host. I have a pair of 4/390's that I use their code on as AFS servers. Then, with a tool called Budtool from Delta Microsystems in Livermore, Ca., I dump to 8mm via a graphical front-end tool each evening. Think, about it for a moment. The Macintosh users here use FastBack II, from their local Macintoshes, to the MTXinu(Sun) disk host. The Mac users have a complete -0- backup done in very fast times. How fast, you might ask? Well, I can dump a 15Mbyte folder from my MacIIcx to the Sun server in under 4 minutes either using FastBack II or just dragging the folder. The KAshare also runs on NS5000's from Auspex. Currently, we've been running benchmarks on both the NS5000 and the 4/490 with several accellerators. We've turned our proposals to our management, but as of yet, have not made a formal decision. Applications loaded on the Sun&/or Auspex proposed machines run faster from these servers than they do from the local hard disks. We're looking into about 16Gbytes of online storage for the business, and engineering sides of the house here. UNIX machines are so horrendously fast, theat they are a natural for doing this. Quit using CAP, it's got numerous problems. Regardless of the server that you choose, get the MtXinu code. It's the fastest Appletalk<->UNIX s/w I've personally ever seen. I only express opinions of what we've seen while I work here. -- Steven C. Blair Network Operations Center SynOptics Communications Inc. Mountain View, California INTERNET: sblair@synoptics.com sblair@nevdull.synoptics.com PROBLEMS/EMAIL: HOSTMASTER@SYNOPTICS.COM postmaster@synoptics.com
billkatt@mondo.engin.umich.edu (billkatt) (07/31/90)
In article <1990Jul30.161925.15581@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) writes: >In article <8111*kenw@noah.arc.ab.ca> kenw@noah.arc.ab.ca (Ken Wallewein) writes: >> >> We need a centrally administered facility that does network backups to >>tape - preferably 8mm. It should provide flexible incremental, selective, >>and full backups. I know of NetStream by PCPC; it would probably do >>the job if one could get past that abysmal user interface. Lame. I really can't stand the interface either. Currently, I use Retrospect to back up to our 8mm. It works very well, except it can't back volumes remotely unless you can mount them locally (AppleShare/TOPS). Rumor has it that they will have a new program "Retrospect Remote" which backs up remotely like Netstream out pretty soon (maybe MacWorld?). Also, for the record, it has the most flexible backup scheme I've ever used on a Mac. you can do more than just backup all files since last backup. I have a set of scripts worked up which let me do the equivalent of Unix's multi-level dumps. With Retrospect, you can keep more than one set of backup tapes fully up-to-date. ============================================================================= Steve Bollinger ____/| 909 Church St. Apt C \ o.O| Ann Arbor, Mi. 48104 =(_)= (313)-662-4073 -home (313)-763-3070 -work U billkatt@mondo.engin.umich.edu -ACK ACK ACK ACK! "thhhhppppttt!"
Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews) (08/01/90)
In article <11147@claris.com>, peirce@claris.com (Michael Peirce) writes: > With the coming of System 7 and FileShare it seems like it should be possible > to setup a network wide backup system very easily. Simply have each of your > users setup (or setup for them) a BACKUP User that has access to all of their > files (or at least those they want backed up). Then nightly (or whenever) > you can mount their disks and backup them up as needed. > > Isn't system 7 fun! Yup, it is. But this solution won't work for a very large group. We're thinking about ways to provide centralized backup for over 3,000 hard disks. Mounting user disks won't cut it -- even if we could automate the process the brain-dead ATP timeouts would kill us. We also need to provide a network restore interface, so that users don't have to bother us to get their data back. The latest MacWeek has some info about Retrospect Remote, which promises to address some of these problems. They mention a limit of 130 users per backup server -- too few for our purposes, but maybe it can be stretched.... Jim Matthews Dartmouth Software Development--