ercm20@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sam Wilson) (08/08/90)
We have recently installed ethernet cards in two Macs (it would be 4 but
two cards were DOA) and discovered the "can't use EtherTalk and
LocalTalk at the same time" feature. What is disconcerting is that
Public Folder and Broadcast don't appear to work when the networking is
switched to 'Ethernet'. Does anyone know whether this is a fundamental
problem due to differences in the way LocalTalk and EtherTalk work, or
is there some feature of PF/B'cast that means they don't work over
EtherTalk (but should) or is there just some problem with my setup.
hardware: Mac SE, System 6.0.4, twin floppies, 2.5Mb, external HD, 3Com
EtherLink/SE card, Public Folder 1.0, Broadcast 1.2, various
other INITs and CDEVs
hardware: Mac IIcx, System 6.0.4, floppy, 4Mb, 40M internal HD, other
assorted h/w add-ons (scanner, ProDrive etc.), 3Com
EtherLink/II card, Public Folder 1.0, Broadcast 1.2, various
other INITs and CDEVs
NCSA Telnet 2.3 works fine on both machines but had not been in use
between startup and testing PF and B'cast.
Sam Wilson
EUCS Network Servicesbschmidt@bnr.ca (Ben Schmidt) (08/09/90)
In article <5585@castle.ed.ac.uk> ercm20@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sam Wilson) writes: > ... What is disconcerting is that > Public Folder and Broadcast don't appear to work when the networking is > switched to 'Ethernet'. Does anyone know whether this is a fundamental > problem due to differences in the way LocalTalk and EtherTalk work, or > is there some feature of PF/B'cast that means they don't work over > EtherTalk (but should) or is there just some problem with my setup. No reports of problems with Public Folder 1.0 between Macs on Ethernet at this site. Users of Broadcast 1.2 at this site on Ethernet though have reported NOT being able to see other Broadcast users IFF these other Ethernet users are on the same zone. Otherwise Broadcast works fine between Macs on different Ethernet zones. Ben Schmidt Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. Ph: (613) 763-3906 Information Technology P.O. Box 3511, Station C FAX:(613) 763-3283 Ottawa Ontario Canada K1Y 4H7
bhall@pbs.org (Dark Star) (08/09/90)
In article <5585@castle.ed.ac.uk>, ercm20@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sam Wilson) writes: > What is disconcerting is that > Public Folder and Broadcast don't appear to work when the networking is > switched to 'Ethernet'. Does anyone know whether this is a fundamental > problem due to differences in the way LocalTalk and EtherTalk work, or > > hardware: Mac IIcx, System 6.0.4, floppy, 4Mb, 40M internal HD, other > assorted h/w add-ons (scanner, ProDrive etc.), 3Com > EtherLink/II card, Public Folder 1.0, Broadcast 1.2, various > other INITs and CDEVs > I can use Public Folder (haven't tried Broadcast) between a Mac IIcx with System 6.0.4 and a Novell EtherPort II ("National" flavor) and a Mac IIci with System 6.0.5 and a Novell EtherPort II ("Intel" flavor). On the EtherPort cards you can select between AppleTalk Phase I and Phase II. If the 3Com cards have a similar feature, they may not be set the same. -- Bruce Hall Domain: bhall@pbs.org Public Broadcasting Service UUCP:...{uupsi,vrdxhq,csed-1,ida.org}!pbs!bhall Phone: 703/739-5048 "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes" - Oscar Wilde
shoemake@Apple.COM (Mike Shoemaker) (08/09/90)
bschmidt@bnr.ca (Ben Schmidt) writes: >In article <5585@castle.ed.ac.uk> ercm20@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sam Wilson) >writes: >> ... What is disconcerting is that >> Public Folder and Broadcast don't appear to work when the networking is >> switched to 'Ethernet'. Does anyone know whether this is a fundamental >> problem due to differences in the way LocalTalk and EtherTalk work, or >> is there some feature of PF/B'cast that means they don't work over >> EtherTalk (but should) or is there just some problem with my setup. >No reports of problems with Public Folder 1.0 between Macs on Ethernet at >this site. Users of Broadcast 1.2 at this site on Ethernet though >have reported NOT being able to see other Broadcast users IFF these >other Ethernet users are on the same zone. Otherwise Broadcast works >fine between Macs on different Ethernet zones. >Ben Schmidt Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. Ph: (613) 763-3906 >Information Technology P.O. Box 3511, Station C FAX:(613) 763-3283 > Ottawa Ontario Canada K1Y 4H7 I use both Public Folder and Broadcast on Ethernet with no problems. Be warned that if you use the Network control panel to switch networks, that neither of these products notice that AppleTalk was turned off and back on and that they should reregister their name. The result is that they appear to 'break.' If you reboot, they will register their name on the newly selected network. Technical aside: Starting with the Phase 2 AppleTalk implementation on the Mac, there is an AppleTalk transition queue. Applications can be put on this queue and they will get notified when the user switches networks or AppleTalk gets turned off (like just before the Portable goes to sleep.) See Tech note #250. Mike Shoemaker Apple Computer, Inc.
ercm20@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sam Wilson) (08/09/90)
Thanks to lots of people for the 'works OK here' reponses, which were encouraging. Helpful suggestions came from (excuse the UK ordered domains): billkatt <billkatt@edu.umich.engin.mondo> (Steve Bollinger) loucks@uucp.intvax (Cliff Loucks) bhall@pbs.org (Dark Star) (Bruce Hall) David Birnbaum 39116 <davidb@com.shearson.govt> shoemake@Apple.COM (Mike Shoemaker) The problem turns out to be that the MacIIcx was running AppleTalk Phase II whereas the SE was running Phase I. Now that that's fixed everything is fine. Mike Shoemaker also pointed out that neither Public Folder nor Broadcast readvertises itself after a change of network and so can appear not to work. Restarting after changing the network connection in the Control Panel fixes this. And apologies to the network for cross-posting the original message and not setting the Follow-up:! Those who don't like gory details can hit 'n' now... Sam Wilson Network Services, EUCS ---------------------- As supplied by 3Com he SE is running a driver called 'EtherLink/SE' and the version string (anyone know how to save the textual output from an Info box???) says "EtherLink/SE v1.0 Thursday, January 12, 1989". The icon has single arrows. The IIcx (with an EtherLink/NB card - sorry I said EtherLink II in the original message - that's a PC card) has 'EtherTalk2.0', "2.0, (c) Apple Computer, Inc. 1987-89". The icon has double arrows. The Installer that comes with the MacII card only gives you the choice of installing 'EtherTalk (2.0)' (even though the manual has the Installer window showing 'EtherTalk (1.0)') but hidden away on the installation disk is a folder 'Previous Version' with a file 'EtherTalk' on it. This seems to be EtherTalk for AppleTalk Phase I - it has the icon with single arrows and, once dumped in the System File, talks to the SE. The 'EtherTalk2.0' driver will not work on the SE. Phew! All I need to do now to keep up to date is to find a Phase II driver for the EtherLink/SE board...