[comp.protocols.appletalk] FastPath, atalkad and NetBridge

pschnack@uci.edu (Peter Schnack) (10/12/90)

I am having trouble configuring a FastPath and a NetBridge using the 
atalkad from CAP. 

The question:
How do I configure the atalkatab to show the the zone on the otherside of 
the NetBridge?

The problem:
         -------          -------
 Zone B  | net  | Zone A  | FP4 | Lots-o-Zones
---------|bridge|---------|     |-------
         --------         -------
From a Chooser on Zone B you see Zone A and Zone B.
From a Chooser on Zone A you will alternately approx every 10 seconds see 
just Zone A and Zone B: Then you will see Lots-o-Zones, Zone A and I think 
Zone B though you cannot see the services on the Lots-o-Zones side.

If you turn off the NetBridge everything works fine (except of course the 
Zone B is isolated :-)

Background and other information:
Shiva were the ones that suggested adding the Zone information for Zone B 
to the atalkatab, but could not help me with how.

We have about 9 FP's connected around campus through a TCP/IP only 
backbone with the atalkad, this is the first time I have had a multi-zone 
LocalTalk network on the LocalTalk side of the FP.

Thanks

pschnack@orion.oac.uci.edu

morgan@JESSICA.STANFORD.EDU (RL "Bob" Morgan) (10/12/90)

>          -------          -------
>  Zone B  | net  | Zone A  | FP4 | Lots-o-Zones
> ---------|bridge|---------|     |-------
>          --------         -------
> 
> How do I configure the atalkatab to show the the zone on the otherside of 
> the NetBridge?

There are two things that have to work to make this setup functional.  First,
the NetBridge has to find out about the big world to the right of the FP4,
including all its network numbers and zone names.  Second, the big world to the
right of the FP4 has to find out about the network number and zone name of the
net to the left of the NB, and that there is a route to this net through the
FP4.

The NB is supposed to find out what it needs by hearing RTMP broadcasts from
the FP4 on the LocalTalk labelled Zone A.  If, as you say,

> From a Chooser on Zone B you see Zone A and Zone B.
> From a Chooser on Zone A you will alternately approx every 10 seconds see 
> just Zone A and Zone B: Then you will see Lots-o-Zones, Zone A and I think 
> Zone B

then it sounds like the NB isn't doing the right thing, and the whole thing is
doomed.  The Mac in the Zone A net is getting the zone list alternately from
the FP4 and the NB, and not the merged list that the boxes should cooperate to
create.  I seem to recall that some versions of the NB wouldn't work with some
versions of the FP for various bizarre reasons.

The other side of this now probably less interesting problem is how all the
FPs, etc in the big world find out about the Zone B net.  There are two ways. 
One is to identify one or more FPs in your atalkatab as "KC" rather than "K". 
This will cause the FPs to start exchanging their dynamically-discovered
routing information, which, if things were working correctly, would include the
info about the Zone B net that FP4 got from hearing the NB's RTMP broadcasts.

The other way is to put the info for the Zone B net (its network number and
zone) into an "E" line in your atalkatab, also including the IP address of FP4.
 This tells the big world that there is a net with this number and zone name
and that FP4 can get packets to that net.  This approach makes this info much
more static than with the method in the paragraph above, but should have the
same result.

 - RL "Bob" Morgan
   Networking Systems
   Stanford University


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