jay@axiom.maths.uq.oz.au (Joseph Young) (10/12/90)
I'm faced with the following configuration:
+-----+ +-----+
! Mac ! ! IBM !
+--+--+ ! PCs !
! +--------+ +--+--+
Novell Trunk - LocalTalk ! Novell ! Novell Trunk - Ethernet !
-------------+----------------+ File +----------+-----------------+--->
! Server ! !
+--------+ !
(NetWare 2.15) +--+---+
!Bridge!(Brand: Wellfleet)
!Router!
+--+---+
Ethernet to remote hosts ! (TCP/IP)
---------------------------------------+-----------------------
Question: How can I get the Macintoshes on the Novell LocalTalk trunk talking
to the remote hosts on the Ethernet running TCP/IP. The type of
services I'm interested in are Telnet, FTP and mail.
Any help would be greatly appreciated .. I'm fairly new at this type of thing.
Joe Young
jay@axiom.maths.uq.oz.auhamish@waikato.ac.nz (10/15/90)
In article <691@axiom.maths.uq.oz>, jay@axiom.maths.uq.oz.au (Joseph Young) writes: > I'm faced with the following configuration: > > +-----+ +-----+ > ! Mac ! ! IBM ! > +--+--+ ! PCs ! > ! +--------+ +--+--+ > Novell Trunk - LocalTalk ! Novell ! Novell Trunk - Ethernet ! > -------------+----------------+ File +----------+-----------------+---> > ! Server ! ! > +--------+ ! > (NetWare 2.15) +--+---+ > !Bridge!(Brand: Wellfleet) > !Router! > +--+---+ > Ethernet to remote hosts ! (TCP/IP) > ---------------------------------------+----------------------- > > Question: How can I get the Macintoshes on the Novell LocalTalk trunk talking > to the remote hosts on the Ethernet running TCP/IP. The type of > services I'm interested in are Telnet, FTP and mail. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated .. I'm fairly new at this type of thing. > > Joe Young > > jay@axiom.maths.uq.oz.au I've seen several solutions, but all the ones I have seen are a hardware box that translates ethernet into Appletalk. Products are such things as Fastpath and GatorBox? We use Fastpaths here, (not sure whether thats a brand or model). -- ============================================================================== | Hamish Marson | Internet hamish@waikato.ac.nz | | Computer Support Person | Phone (071)562889 xt 8181 | | Computer Science Department | Amiga 3000 for ME! | | University of Waikato | | ============================================================================== |Disclaimer: Anything said in this message is the personal opinion of the | | finger hitting the keyboard & doesn't represent my employers | | opinion in any way. (ie we probably don't agree) | ==============================================================================
bschmidt@bnr.ca (Ben Schmidt) (10/15/90)
In article <1968.2719b242@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes: > In article <691@axiom.maths.uq.oz>, jay@axiom.maths.uq.oz.au (Joseph Young) writes: > > I'm faced with the following configuration: > > > > +-----+ +-----+ > > ! Mac ! ! IBM ! > > +--+--+ ! PCs ! > > ! +--------+ +--+--+ > > Novell Trunk - LocalTalk ! Novell ! Novell Trunk - Ethernet ! > > -------------+----------------+ File +----------+-----------------+---> > > ! Server ! ! > > +--------+ ! > > (NetWare 2.15) +--+---+ > > !Bridge!(Brand: Wellfleet) > > !Router! > > +--+---+ > > Ethernet to remote hosts ! (TCP/IP) > > ---------------------------------------+----------------------- > > > > Question: How can I get the Macintoshes on the Novell LocalTalk trunk talking > > to the remote hosts on the Ethernet running TCP/IP. The type of > > services I'm interested in are Telnet, FTP and mail. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated .. I'm fairly new at this type of thing. > > > > Joe Young > > > > jay@axiom.maths.uq.oz.au > > I've seen several solutions, but all the ones I have seen are a hardware box > that translates ethernet into Appletalk. Products are such things as Fastpath > and GatorBox? We use Fastpaths here, (not sure whether thats a brand or model). > > | Hamish Marson | Internet hamish@waikato.ac.nz Joe, I've never used Novell's NetWare for the Mac but I know what you have to ask your Novell sales rep for, if that's any help.(?) Any of the PD and most of the commercial Mac IP applications are based on encapsulating IP into LocalTalk DDP packets. (For a quick description, anonymously FTP to apple.com and look in the "/pub/apple-ip" directory for the "IP_in_AppleTalk" documents.) Therefore if you want IP_in_Appletalk packets from these Mac IP applications to pass thru your Netware server's LocalTalk port and then appear as IP packets coming out of your Netware server's Ethernet port, you'll have to ask Novell if there's a Netware module to perform a DDP/IP gateway function. Apple uses this "DDP/IP gateway" term to describe any LocalTalk-to-Ethernet box which recognizes IP_in_AppleTalk and extracts the IP and places it within a standard Ethernet version 2, type 0800 packet for other IP nodes to read. There are lots of boxes out there that are advertised to have this DDP/IP function: Shiva FastPath, Cayman GatorBox, Webster Multigate, various NRC software and hardware versions, Ungermann-Bass MaxTalk, to name but a few. But I doubt you want to buy still more hardware. Since the engineers and computer scientists who worked on the Novell/Kinetics FastPath didn't transfer to Shiva, Novell certainly has the knowledge in-house to provide a Novell DDP/IP gateway function if they don't already provide one within netware 2.15 or an add-on module. Ben Schmidt Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. Ph: (613) 763-3906 Information Technology P.O. Box 3511, Station C FAX:(613) 763-3283 bschmidt@bnr.ca Ottawa Canada K1Y 4H7
dixon@pdn.paradyne.com (Tom Dixon) (10/21/90)
In article <691@axiom.maths.uq.oz> jay@axiom.maths.uq.oz.au (Joseph Young) writes: > +-----+ +-----+ > ! Mac ! ! IBM ! > +--+--+ ! PCs ! > ! +--------+ +--+--+ > Novell Trunk - LocalTalk ! Novell ! Novell Trunk - Ethernet ! >-------------+----------------+ File +----------+-----------------+---> > ! Server ! ! > +--------+ ! > (NetWare 2.15) +--+---+ > !Bridge!(Brand: Wellfleet) > !Router! > +--+---+ > Ethernet to remote hosts ! (TCP/IP) > ---------------------------------------+----------------------- >Question: How can I get the Macintoshes on the Novell LocalTalk trunk talking > to the remote hosts on the Ethernet running TCP/IP. The type of > services I'm interested in are Telnet, FTP and mail. > >Joe Young I hate to say this, but I think you may have to use another box to hook the other network up. I have a similar configuration, and have not found a way to get a novell server to do tcp/ip routing yet. You might be able to use a Cayman GatorBox to connect the LocalTalk to one of the two ethernet, that would provide a pretty good tcp/ip access for macs. I don't know how it would effect the current Novell operation, that would something to check out before spending the money for the gatorbox. Let me know what you come up with in the end, I'm curious. -- Thomas M. Dixon Jr. dixon@pdn.paradyne.com Software Engineer uunet!pdn!dixon AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Fl "When the server hangs, does it dream?"