[comp.protocols.appletalk] Appletalk File Transfer

J.Pearce@cs.ucl.ac.uk (11/22/90)

Can anyone recommend any relatively cheap applications for file
transfer between two Macs on an Appletalk network.

Many thanks,

John Pearce

jpearce@uk.ac.ucl.cs

Computer Science Department
University College London

kris@cc.ic.ac.uk (K. Hampel Ext 6918 Supvsr D.Vvedensky) (11/22/90)

In article <1301@ucl-cs.uucp> J.Pearce@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:
>
>Can anyone recommend any relatively cheap applications for file
>transfer between two Macs on an Appletalk network.
>
Try public folder (freeware? from Claris) it acts as a chooser
device and talks to a folder nominated "public" on another mac.
It also happens to cripple the server mac for the duration of the
transfer.

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tih@barsoom.nhh.no (Tom Ivar Helbekkmo) (11/22/90)

kris@cc.ic.ac.uk (K. Hampel  Ext 6918  Supvsr D.Vvedensky) writes:

:In article <1301@ucl-cs.uucp: J.Pearce@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:

::Can anyone recommend any relatively cheap applications for file
::transfer between two Macs on an Appletalk network.

:Try public folder (freeware? from Claris) it acts as a chooser
:device and talks to a folder nominated "public" on another mac.
:It also happens to cripple the server mac for the duration of the
:transfer.

Or try Oscar, available by anonymous FTP from apple.apple.com.
It's an application that runs under MultiFinder (set it as the
startup application), and allows background transfer of files
from an "outbox" folder on any machine to an "inbox" folder on
any other.  You just drop the files you want to transfer in the
outbox subfolder with the username of the Mac you want to transfer
them to, and as soon as your Mac is able to contact Oscar on the
target Mac, the files will magically move to a subfolder of the
inbox folder marked with your username on that Mac.  Neat!

-tih
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tih@barsoom.nhh.no, thelbekk@norunit.bitnet, edb_tom@debet.nhh.no

mst@mx.csun.edu (Michael Temkin) (11/24/90)

In article <tih.659264948@barsoom> tih@barsoom.nhh.no (Tom Ivar Helbekkmo) writes:
>kris@cc.ic.ac.uk (K. Hampel  Ext 6918  Supvsr D.Vvedensky) writes:
>
>:In article <1301@ucl-cs.uucp: J.Pearce@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:
>
>::Can anyone recommend any relatively cheap applications for file
>::transfer between two Macs on an Appletalk network.
>
>:Try public folder (freeware? from Claris) it acts as a chooser
>
>Or try Oscar, available by anonymous FTP from apple.apple.com.
>Tom Ivar Helbekkmo, NHH, Bergen, Norway.  Telephone: +47-5-959205

WARNING:
	Although Oscar is cute (especially if you install Moof) it
	does open you system up to some joker sending you virused
	files without your consent.  We recognized this fact when we
	were playing with it here and decided against it.

Mike.
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mst@csun.edu
Cal. State U. Northridge, School of Engineering and Computer Science
Voice phone: (818) 885-3919

MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) (11/28/90)

mst@mx.csun.edu (Michael Temkin) writes:
 
>WARNING:
>        Although Oscar is cute (especially if you install Moof) it
>        does open you system up to some joker sending you virused
>        files without your consent.  We recognized this fact when we
>        were playing with it here and decided against it.
 
You should be using anti-viral's on your local machines to stop
infected apps from infecting you. If some joker puts an infected app
in his Public Folder you wind up with the same end-result. Your
problem lies elsewhere.
 
Oscar is too useful for words; I cannot imagine working without it.
 
Disclaimer: my opinion.
___________________________________________________________________
Stephan Somogyi                          Contentedness is for sheep
MacUser

mst@mx.csun.edu (Michael Temkin) (11/28/90)

In article <36276@cup.portal.com> MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) writes:
>mst@mx.csun.edu (Michael Temkin) writes:
> 
>>WARNING:
>>        Although Oscar is cute (especially if you install Moof) it
>>        does open you system up to some joker sending you virused
>>        files without your consent.  We recognized this fact when we
>>        were playing with it here and decided against it.
> 
>You should be using anti-viral's on your local machines to stop
>infected apps from infecting you. If some joker puts an infected app
>in his Public Folder you wind up with the same end-result. Your
>problem lies elsewhere.
> 
>Oscar is too useful for words; I cannot imagine working without it.
> 
>Stephan Somogyi                          Contentedness is for sheep

Ah but the difference is that with Public Folder, if someone else finds that
a file is infected, you just don't get it.  But if someone is very excited
about a piece of software and thinks *everybody* should *really* have it...
Anyway it is your choice as to use it or not, but I would still like to have
the choice to pull it onto my system (PF) rather than be at the mercy of
someone else (O).

Mike.


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JS05STAF@MIAMIU.BITNET (Joe Simpson) (11/29/90)

SingleShare, available from the sumex archives is another alternative to
Public Folder and Oscar.
 
SingleShare is an application that you run under multifinder.  It implements
an AppleShare server on your Mac while you are using it.  You
wouldn't want many folk pinging on you though.
 
Advantages.  Uses standard AppleShare and supplies services of same, includiing
             control over read/write and access authentication.
Disadvantages.  Just as complicated as AppleShare.
 
Side Note:   Not a replacement for a real, reliable, supported, high performanc
             AppleShare server.

pyrros@cis.udel.edu (Christos Pyrros) (12/03/90)

In article <90332.150256JS05STAF@MIAMIU.BITNET> JS05STAF@MIAMIU.BITNET (Joe Simpson) writes:
>SingleShare, available from the sumex archives is another alternative to
>Public Folder and Oscar.

Ahh, finally, someone who is familiar with SingleShare!!

I am using SingleShare version 0.9b16 on a Mac SE/30 with 2 Megs of RAM.

It works fine with other Macs, however, since it provides limited support
for ProDOS, the Apple IIGS (Rom 03, 2 Meg RAM, System 5.0.2) on the
AppleTalk Net is unable to recognize appropriate file types.  It _will_
read and write files from the server, but then any applications copied
to the server can't be executed since they appear as documents.

Any ideas on what's wrong would be appreciated!!

Chris

jean@biomac.univ-lyon1.fr (jean) (12/03/90)

>In article <90332.150256JS05STAF@MIAMIU.BITNET> JS05STAF@MIAMIU.BITNET (Joe
Simp
>>SingleShare, available from the sumex archives is another alternative to
>>Public Folder and Oscar.
>
>Ahh, finally, someone who is familiar with SingleShare!!
>I am using SingleShare version 0.9b16 on a Mac SE/30 with 2 Megs of RAM.
>It works fine with other Macs, however, since it provides limited support
>for ProDOS, the Apple IIGS (Rom 03, 2 Meg RAM, System 5.0.2) on the
>AppleTalk Net is unable to recognize appropriate file types.  It _will_
>read and write files from the server, but then any applications copied
>to the server can't be executed since they appear as documents.
 
I have a SingleShare server on a 1/20 Mac Plus, which works fine, except that
when other Macs mount volumes from this server, documents have no icon. However,
 
they regain their icons when dowloaded to the client Mac...
Jean
 
Jean Thioulouse
Laboratoire de Biometrie - Universite Lyon 1
69622 Villeurbanne Cedex - France
e-mail: thioulou@biom2.univ-lyon1.fr
 

urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) (12/04/90)

In comp.protocols.appletalk, article <37916@nigel.ee.udel.edu>,
  pyrros@cis.udel.edu (Christos Pyrros) writes:
< In article <90332.150256JS05STAF@MIAMIU.BITNET> JS05STAF@MIAMIU.BITNET (Joe Simpson) writes:
< >SingleShare, available from the sumex archives is another alternative to
< >Public Folder and Oscar.
< 
< Ahh, finally, someone who is familiar with SingleShare!!
< 
What's wrong with sending mai to the author? ;-)

< for ProDOS, the Apple IIGS (Rom 03, 2 Meg RAM, System 5.0.2) on the
< AppleTalk Net is unable to recognize appropriate file types.  It _will_
< read and write files from the server, but then any applications copied
< to the server can't be executed since they appear as documents.
< 
< Any ideas on what's wrong would be appreciated!!
< 
Seems to be a bug.

If you can mail me the Prodos file types, the MacOS file type+creator when
you copy the file to the Mac, and the Prodos file type you get when copying
the file back, I'll fix it.

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urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) (12/04/90)

In comp.protocols.appletalk, article <901203.151220.438@biomac.univ-lyon1.fr>,
  jean@biomac.univ-lyon1.fr (jean) writes:
<  
< I have a SingleShare server on a 1/20 Mac Plus, which works fine, except that
< when other Macs mount volumes from this server, documents have no icon. However,
<  
< they regain their icons when dowloaded to the client Mac...

Are you using 0.9b16 or b11? b11 had that problem, but I do think that it's
fixed in b16...

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joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) (12/04/90)

Singleshare is not AFP 2.0 compliant and will therefore not work with
the Apple IIGS implementation of AppleShare.  

Seymour

urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) (12/06/90)

In comp.protocols.appletalk, article <Dec.3.22.21.51.1990.19744@elbereth.rutgers.edu>,
  joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) writes:
< Singleshare is not AFP 2.0 compliant and will therefore not work with
< the Apple IIGS implementation of AppleShare.  
< 
The newest version (0.9b17) is minimally AFP 2.0 compliant. Or at least it
tries to be. There is a bug in the Prodos file type handling code which I
can't find because I don't have a IIgs.
If anyone wants to fix that bug, be my guest -- the relevant code is in
:impl:bitmaps. (Source code can be FTP'd from iraun1.ira.uka.de.)

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