km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg) (09/22/90)
Does anyone make a multiport localtalk router? What do they cost
roughly?
I know you can get this effect by putting a kinetics box on each
segment and connecting the boxes with ethernet, but I want something
less expensive.
I really do want a router though, not just a multiport repeater. The
idea is to keep local traffic local.
--
Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu PREFERRED
Emory University | {rutgers,gatech}!emory!km UUCP
Dept of Math and CS | km@emory.bitnet NON-DOMAIN BITNET
Atlanta, GA 30322 | Phone: (404) 727-7963steve@antares.anu.oz.au (Steven Ball) (09/24/90)
km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg) writes: >Does anyone make a multiport localtalk router? What do they cost >roughly? Yes, Webster Computer Corporation produce the MultiGate. The MultiGate functions similarly to a Kinetics FastPath bu has four localtalk ports instead of just one. The four localtalk ports are bridged together, as well as being gated onto the ethernet. In Australia the MultiGate costs about $4000, roughly the same as a KBox. (At least, last time I priced one :-) I have no idea how they cost in the US. >I know you can get this effect by putting a kinetics box on each >segment and connecting the boxes with ethernet, but I want something >less expensive. The MultiGate will do this for four localtalk segments, with the added bonus of being able to do what you're describing above for >4 segments. At the ANU we have over 20 MultiGates on our campus-wide ethernet, that's over 80 localtalk segments. >I really do want a router though, not just a multiport repeater. The >idea is to keep local traffic local. It really is a router. >-- >Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu PREFERRED >Emory University | {rutgers,gatech}!emory!km UUCP >Dept of Math and CS | km@emory.bitnet NON-DOMAIN BITNET >Atlanta, GA 30322 | Phone: (404) 727-7963 Webster posted their sales e-mail address (sorry 'bout the mail barrage Tom!) Here it is for those who missed it: Webster Computer Corporation 2109 O'Toole Ave. Suite J, San Jose CALIFORNIA CA 95131-1303 USA Phone (408) 954-8054 FAX (408) 954 1832 EMAIL wcc@cup.portal.com Webster Computer Corporation Europe Unit 7, Weltech Centre, Ridgeway, Welwyn Garden City, Herts, AL7 2AA, U.K. Phone +44 (707) 336969 FAX +44 (707) 373378 Webster Computer Corporation Australia 1270 Ferntree Gully Road, Melbourne 3179, Victoria Australia Phone +61 (3) 764 1100 FAX +61 (3) 764 1179 EMAIL multigate@wcc.oz.au Steven Ball, Department of Computer Science, ANU E-mail: steve@anucsd.anu.oz.au Ph. (06) 2495147 Snail-mail: GPO Box 4, CANBERRA CITY ACT 2600, AUSTRALIA He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy! -- Steven Ball, Department of Computer Science, ANU E-mail: steve@anucsd.anu.oz.au Ph. (06) 2495147 Snail-mail: GPO Box 4, CANBERRA CITY ACT 2600, AUSTRALIA He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
csr@ubvax.UB.Com (Chris Ranch) (09/24/90)
Ungermann-Bass sells a 16 port/1 ethernet router. You can configure the LocaTalks to be all one ddp net#, or all different, and anything in between. We also do IP in AppleTalk a la MacTCP, as well as a bunch of other features. It is part of our Access/One structured wiring platform, and is called MaxTalk. Call our Atlanta, GA office for more info: (404)431-0101, or the corporate headquarters in Santa Clara, CA (408)496-0111. Regards, -- Chris Ranch Ungermann-Bass, Inc. (408)562-7957 csr@ubvax.ub.com
phil@Shiva.COM (Phil Budne) (09/25/90)
>km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg) writes: >Does anyone make a multiport localtalk router? What do they cost >roughly? Shiva makes the EtherGate which has 2 ports which can be independantly set up to perform LocalTalk routing, remote routing using a modem (like a Shiva TeleBridge) or shared serial (like a NetSerial). The EtherGate does not have the full set of TCP/IP capabilities of the FastPath. The EtherGate lists for less than the FastPath ($2399 vs $2795) In addition, you should now be able to trade in a FastPath 1, 2 or 3 and get an EtherGate for $999 (similar to the FP-4 upgrade deal). ............o Philip Budne . o---+----o Shiva Corporation . o | 1 Cambridge Center Internet: phil@Shiva.COM . Shiva | Cambridge, Ma 02142 . | Tel (617) 864-8500 (formerly budd@bu-it.bu.edu) . o---o Fax (617) 252-6852
brad@cayman.com (09/26/90)
>> The EtherGate lists for less than the FastPath ($2399 vs $2795) In >> addition, you should now be able to trade in a FastPath 1, 2 or 3 and >> get an EtherGate for $999 (similar to the FP-4 upgrade deal). I understand (and support!) the efforts of various vendors to get the word out on their various solutions; However, I don't feel as comfortable with all off the sales information which is being passed recently. Thanks for the technical info - please hold the sales info. I think non-technical information is best sent to comp.newprod; Am I the only one who feels this way? (and in the name of fairness, Cayman offers a similar upgrade price for old fastpaths - but I ask that you call our sales dept for more info) -brad
dyer@spdcc.COM (Steve Dyer) (09/26/90)
In article <9009252338.AA00960@andros.Cayman.COM> brad@cayman.com writes:
]>> The EtherGate lists for less than the FastPath ($2399 vs $2795) In
]>> addition, you should now be able to trade in a FastPath 1, 2 or 3 and
]>> get an EtherGate for $999 (similar to the FP-4 upgrade deal).
]I understand (and support!) the efforts of various vendors to get the word
]out on their various solutions; However, I don't feel as comfortable with
]all off the sales information which is being passed recently. Thanks for
]the technical info - please hold the sales info.
]I think non-technical information is best sent to comp.newprod; Am I the
]only one who feels this way?
I think you've got a bug up your ass. Chill out. In the context
in which it was presented, it didn't seem out of line to me.
I'd rather have too much information offered to us, the consumer,
than staying in the dark. What's more, upgrade information is only
useful for people who have purchased the damn boxes to begin with!
At the very least, complaints about a competitor's behavior (especially
when the "offense" is so arguable) strikes me as more than a bit disingenuous.
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
dyer@arktouros.mit.edu, dyer@hstbme.mit.eduGD.WHY@FORSYTHE.STANFORD.EDU ("Bill Yundt") (10/01/90)
REPLY TO 09/25/90 17:33 FROM BRAD@CAYMAN.COM: Re: Multiport Localtalk Router In article <9009252338.AA00960@andros.Cayman.COM> brad@cayman.com writes: ].............. However, I don't feel as comfortable with ]all off the sales information which is being passed recently. Thanks for ]the technical info - please hold the sales info. ]I think non-technical information is best sent to comp.newprod; Am I the ]only one who feels this way? In article <4192@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> spdcc!dyer@husc6.harvard.edu (Steve Dyer) writes: >........................In the context >in which it was presented, it didn't seem out of line to me. >I'd rather have too much information offered to us, the consumer, >than staying in the dark. ......... It appears that the Cayman response was to a specific question posed by a bona-fide internet user in support of an educational institution's activities. I believe it was therefore wholly appropriate as a response to a question asked "in support of research and education" under the NSFNET interim use guidelines. If there is any question, however, the NSF is the authority. Had the matter been delivered as an unsolicited pitch to the info-appletalk list, I would have a different view. In view of the fact that the custodial responsibility for the research and education internet rests with the NSF and mid-level (e.g. regional) networks, I would suggest that commercial interests and people who represent them begin asking what is appropriate instead of asserting their own beliefs. Bill Yundt, Director Networking and Communication Systems, Stanford University Executive Director, Bay Area Regional Research Network To: INFO-APPLETALK@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
schoch@starnet.com (Steven Schoch) (06/02/91)
In article <6333@emory...> km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg) writes: > Does anyone make a multiport localtalk router? What do they cost > roughly? > I really do want a router though, not just a multiport repeater. The > idea is to keep local traffic local. This is not exactly what you asked for, but it will keep local traffic local. StarNet Communications sells a localtalk bridge called the StarBridge. The current model has only four localtalk ports but future products will have twelve ports plus an Ethernet. This product is not a repeater or a router but a ALAP level bridge that only forwards packets to a network if the destination node is on that network. You can call Larry Wible at our office at (408) 739-0881 for more information, or send E-mail to <larry@starnet.com> or FAX (408) 739-0936.
mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu (Jeff E Mandel MD MS) (06/02/91)
In article <1991Jun2.034936.8213@starnet.com>, schoch@starnet.com (Steven Schoch) writes: >This is not exactly what you asked for, but it will keep local traffic local. >StarNet Communications sells a localtalk bridge called the StarBridge. >The current model has only four localtalk ports but future products will >have twelve ports plus an Ethernet. > >This product is not a repeater or a router but a ALAP level bridge that only >forwards packets to a network if the destination node is on that network. As a bridge, it thus would be unable to separate the localtalk ports into separate zones, I presume? Also, you neglected to mention the price. My problem is I have a bunch of small departmental nets (say, 3 Macs and a LaserWriter) that I'd like to interconnect, yet keep each department as a zone unto itself so everyone can keep their LaserWriter named "LaserWriter" (what, your name's not Bruce? That'll cause some confusion, mate). I just can't justify the expense of a FastPath/GatorBox/etc. in these environments, and they generally are too unreliable for a software solution like Liason, as there is no one to provide support services and the router machine goes down and everyone starts screaming. Any ideas? Jeff E Mandel MD MS Asst. Professor of Anesthesiology Tulane University School of Medicine New Orleans, LA mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu
steve@rastaban.anu.oz.au (Steven Ball) (06/04/91)
mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu (Jeff E Mandel MD MS) writes: >My problem is I have a bunch of small departmental nets (say, 3 Macs and a >LaserWriter) that I'd like to interconnect, yet keep each department as a zone >unto itself so everyone can keep their LaserWriter named "LaserWriter" (what, >your name's not Bruce? That'll cause some confusion, mate). I just can't >justify the expense of a FastPath/GatorBox/etc. in these environments, and they >generally are too unreliable for a software solution like Liason, as there is >no one to provide support services and the router machine goes down and >everyone starts screaming. Any ideas? Have you considered the Webster MultiPort Gateway? Four localtalk ports, `bridged' together (ie. each port can be configured as a separate zone, if that's what you want - I use the term bridge in general terms here as this discussion seems to be splitting hairs :-) and an ethernet interface. I believe Webster have a deal during June of <$3000 for a MultiPort Gateway... but don't quote me! -- Steven Ball, Department of Computer Science, ANU E-mail: steve@anucsd.anu.edu.au Ph. (06) 2495146 Snail-mail: GPO Box 4, CANBERRA CITY ACT 2600, AUSTRALIA He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!