[comp.ai.digest] MACSYMA Availability

nick@ZERMATT.LCS.MIT.EDU (Nick Papadakis) (08/23/88)

Draft-Composition-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 88 23:41 EDT
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 88 23:41 EDT
To: ailist
Subject: MACSYMA Availability


	If the messages I have received since my posting in AIList V8
#35 are any gauge, there seems to be a fair amount of misinformation on
the subject of MACSYMA and where to get it.

	The following is a summary of the best information I have been
able to garner via numerous telephone conversations (I had requested
hardcopy, but am tired of waiting for it to arrive).


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	The original MACSYMA code is owned by MIT, which has granted
licenses to distribute it to three other organizations. 


SYMBOLICS: Runs on Apollo, Sun, Symbolics, and all VAXes.
	Licenses range from about $5K to $15K (US prices, for commercial 
	customers)  Probably the most sophisticated version, many 
	enhancements.  
	Source code is NOT provided.  
	Call 1-800-622-7962, (in Mass. (617) 621-7770) 
	or email petti@ALLEGHENY.SCRC.Symbolics.COM


NESC (National Energy Software Center): Referred to as 'DOE MACSYMA'.
	Runs on Alliant, Celerity, Data-General, Encore, LMI Lambda, 
	Sun, Symbolics, TI Explorer, VAX. 
	About $2K to $3K for non-subscribers (subscribers get 2 programs 
	free, subscriptions are $2.5K to $3.5K) 
	Source code IS provided.
	Call Margaret Butler (312) 972-7250

	[As of March 87, an improved version of DOE MACSYMA for the 
	TI Explorer (including the SHARE libraries), was available to any 
	NESC licensee from Hyde%NGSTL1@TI-CSL.CSNET@RELAY.CS.NET]


INTERMATH - This startup company's product is still in the works, but they 
	are interested in talking to people who "might want to embed some 
	portion of MACSYMA's functionality in another system".  
	Call (617) 868-4510


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	Now for the distressing part.

	The MIT patent office states that DOE (via NESC) is only
permitted to distribute MACSYMA to government agencies, contractors, and
grantees.  NESC says that is completely untrue, and that they will
continue to distribute to commercial customers.  Symbolics has
trademarked the name 'MACSYMA'.  DOE claims that "it wasn't theirs to
trademark."

	I'm not sure I want to know precisely what causes such a massive
failure of communication.

	I am _quite_ sure that I do *not* wish to receive (and will not
post) any more messages pointing out that the version being distributed
by a certain company was 'the only licensed version' and that all others
were 'bootleg'.  This list exists to inform the AI community, and not to
serve any commercial interest.

	It is clear that the various versions available have varying
degrees of enhancement and support.  The informed customer will take
this into account when making a decision.  I think it is unfortunate
when the good efforts of those who have worked to enhance a product are
compromised by the unsavory tactics of others seeking to promote it.


		- nick