[comp.ai.digest] The Godless asumption

ALFONSEC@EMDCCI11.BITNET (08/23/88)

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I was surprised at Professor Minsky's use of so naive an argument against
Religion. If Religion is discredited because Giordano Bruno was burnt at
the stake in 1600, then Science is discredited because 120,000 people were
burned in Hiroshima in 1945. In actual fact, neither Religion nor Science
are discredited because of that, only people who do things can be discredited
by them. Theories are discredited by negative evidence or by reason.

And this takes me to another append (which unfortunately I have lost, and
do not recall the signer) where it was stated that Religion and Reason
are contradictory. I challenge this assertion. For it to be true, there should
exist an argumentation that starting at a set of axioms accepted by everybody,
and through a set of reasonable steps, would arrive to the conclusion
"God does not exist". I do not know of such an argument. God's existence
or non-existence is an axiom for most of us, and axioms are not "Reason".

M. Alfonseca

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mantha@CS.UTAH.EDU (Surya M Mantha) (08/25/88)

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In a previous article, ALFONSEC@EMDCCI11.BITNET writes:
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>burned in Hiroshima in 1945. In actual fact, neither Religion nor Science
>are discredited because of that, only people who do things can be discredited
>by them. Theories are discredited by negative evidence or by reason.
>
    Not surprising!! This line of reasoning I mean. It is one that is
mostly commonly used to defend institutions that are inherently unjust
undemocratic and intolerant. The blame always lies with "people". The
institution itself ( be it "organized religion", "socialism", "state
capitalism") is beyond reproach. Afterall, it does not owe its existence
to man does it?

>M. Alfonseca
>
>(Usual disclaimer)

Surya Mantha
Department of Computer Science
University of Utah
Salt Lake City

grossi@csinn.UUCP (Thomas Grossi) (08/25/88)

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In a previous article, ALFONSEC@EMDCCI11.BITNET writes:
> .... If Religion is discredited because Giordano Bruno was burnt at
> the stake in 1600, then Science is discredited because 120,000 people were
> burned in Hiroshima in 1945. 

No, World Politics is discredited:  the bomb was dropped for political reasons,
not scientific ones.  Science provided the means, as it did (in a certain
sense) for Religion as well.

Thomas Grossi
grossi@capsogeti.fr