chuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (05/13/87)
Date: Fri, 8 May 87 00:15:52 EDT
From: unipress!erika!gjb@rutgers.edu ( Greg Brail)
I have seen ads for PageMaker version 2.0 for the Mac. Apparently, it offers
support for kerning and some form of letterspacing, although I'm not sure how
well it does that. It also allows longer documents, and I think it has better
support for those long documents, like style sheets or something like that.
Here at UniPress, we're trying to use the Mac to save a lot of money on
typesetting. Since we produce some glitzy ads, we need really good quality
output. In addition, we produce newsletters, news releases, and technical fact
sheets, many using troff (up to now.)
Has anyone tried the new PageMaker? I'm wondering whether to buy it or
to get Word 3.0. I need something like PageMaker to do full-page,
multi-column, newspaperlike layouts, but I also want to do long documents,
like manuals. Automatic indexing wouldn't be bad either. Also, support for
letterspacing would be real nice. I wouldn't mind tracked kerning either,
but I don't think either program does that. Any suggestions?
Incidentally, if those of you in the New York/New Jersey area need quick
printing on a Linotronic 300 (1200 DPS), try Waldman Graphics in Pennsauken,
NJ. You can send them your file via modem, and they will deliver or Federal
Express it back to you the next day. I'm not affilated with them, by the way.
-Greg
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There is no statute of limitations on stupiditychuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (05/15/87)
Date: Wed, 13 May 87 18:08:04 PST
From: korn@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Peter "Arrgh" Korn)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
I used PageMaker 2.0 for the latest issue of my newsletter. I was very
happy with it. It was quite a bit faster than 1.2, was cleaner in feel,
did automatic hyphenation (nice), kerning (automatic), and allows you
to include 300dpi scanned images (from scanners like the DataCopy, which
I mentioned in a previous posting).
I also used MS-Word 3.0, to prepare the articles before I 'pasted' them
into PageMaker. For my newsletter, I would NEVER consider using Word.
But it's an 8 page newsletter, with lots of 300dpi graphics on EVERY page
(talk about taking a long time to print!), and many different column widths
each page.
Are there any specific questions about PageMaker 2.0?
Peter
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There is no statute of limitations on stupiditychuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (05/15/87)
Date: 14 May 87 07:06:29 PDT (Thursday)
From: "Michael_Krause.ROCH"@Xerox.COM
Speaking as a user and owner of Ventura Publisher (and NOT as an
employee of Xerox, which I am) I beleive that your needs will be
completely met with Ventura Publisher. Unfortunately, I don't beleive
that VP is available (yet?) for the Mac. VP 1.1, which will be released
any day now, improves an already super product and I've heard that
future releases will deal with more operating systems and interfaces.
This is not (just) a sales pitch for a product supplied by the company
for which I work but a pitch for a superior product.
Good luck,
Mike
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There is no statute of limitations on stupiditychuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (05/18/87)
From: kumar@hpcea.HP.COM (Arvind Kumar)
Date: 15 May 87 19:01:31 GMT
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
Thanks for introducing Ventura to this news/notesgroup. I had been
reading it since its inception, and was frankly quite disappointed by
the absence of any discussion/awareness of Ventura. Since I am not a
Xerox employee, I can speak about Ventura Publisher without having to
add disclaimers, etc.
For the money, it is the best desktop publishing program on the market.
I have used Pagemaker and was appalled at how difficult it is to make
changes. PM assumes that you have the whole publication laid out, text
and graphics, before you sit down to use it. Changes to document text
and layout are hard to make without redoing a lot of the work.
Ventura's style sheets are a blessing. So is its concept of not
duplicating text - any changes you make to text in Ventura get written
out to their original files. I publish an 8 to 16 page newspaper each
month where I have to make many changes at the last minute. I would
not be doing it if I had to use Pagemaker.
I'm sure there are better, more powerful programs, but you can't beat
Ventura at $699 (Fry's Electronics, Sunnyvale). I hear they are
working on a version for the Mac.
Arvind "A very satisfied user" Kumar
kumar@hplabs.hp.com
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There is no statute of limitations on stupiditychuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (05/19/87)
From: kumar@hpcea.HP.COM (Arvind Kumar)
Date: 15 May 87 19:01:31 GMT
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
Thanks for introducing Ventura to this news/notesgroup. I had been
reading it since its inception, and was frankly quite disappointed by
the absence of any discussion/awareness of Ventura. Since I am not a
Xerox employee, I can speak about Ventura Publisher without having to
add disclaimers, etc.
For the money, it is the best desktop publishing program on the market.
I have used Pagemaker and was appalled at how difficult it is to make
changes. PM assumes that you have the whole publication laid out, text
and graphics, before you sit down to use it. Changes to document text
and layout are hard to make without redoing a lot of the work.
Ventura's style sheets are a blessing. So is its concept of not
duplicating text - any changes you make to text in Ventura get written
out to their original files. I publish an 8 to 16 page newspaper each
month where I have to make many changes at the last minute. I would
not be doing it if I had to use Pagemaker.
I'm sure there are better, more powerful programs, but you can't beat
Ventura at $699 (Fry's Electronics, Sunnyvale). I hear they are
working on a version for the Mac.
Arvind "A very satisfied user" Kumar
kumar@hplabs.hp.com
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There is no statute of limitations on stupiditychuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (05/26/87)
From: yale!hsi!burns@seismo.CSS.GOV (Jeff Burns)
Summary: PageMaker & Ventura versus QUARK XPRESS a new challenger?
Date: 21 May 87 17:13:30 GMT
Organization: Health Systems Intl., New Haven, CT
I am also looking for page layout software and came across Quark Xpress
in my research.
MACUSER Magazine (May 1987) gives a glowing "5-mouse" review to
Quark Xpress. I quote:
Quark Xpress is a superb product that represents a
major step forward in the evolution of desktop publishing.
Developed by a company in Denver previously known for a
few very high quality software products on Apple IIs and
IIIs, Xpress is light-years ahead of where desktop publishing
was a year ago. ...
Xpress makes true, professional quality page layout easy.
Other page layout programs let you work in typefaces from
0 to 127 points (a limitation set within QuickDraw). Xpress
has a range from 0 to 500 point typefaces, in 1-point
increments. Xpress contains a full-featured word processor with
built-in spell checking, manual or automatic hyphenation and
an exeptional dictionary. ...
Graphics are displayed in boxes, with either square, rounded
corner, circular, or oval shapes. Text flows automatically
around a picture box -- move the picture someplace else and
the text automatically adjusts. Boxes can be transparent ...
text can wrap around the shape of a graphic itself, or continue
to conform to the box. Graphics can be imported from MacPaint,
-PICT or TIFF files, but the program has the built in ability
to draw lines, arrows and frames. ...
You can pipeline text from one area to another, with tag lines that
let you know where the text went. Simply type in your tag
and a command key for "Next Page." The tag line will register the
correct page number of the continuation text. A similar tag
"From page ..." can be added at the beginning of the continuation
box. The page references are relative--if either portion
of the pipelined text is moved, the tag lines automatically
update to show the correct placement. ...
Xpress is a real find and a very good value at $695.
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Sounds great, doesn't it? I look forward to seeing a demo.
Does anyone on the net currently use Xpress?
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