Michael.Skinner@f109.n221.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Skinner) (07/16/89)
While I'm sure many of us Mac users agree that Garamond Condensed, Apple's
corporate font, is very attractive, I find that it's a rather difficult
(if not impossible) font to purchase. Garamond Condensed doesn't appear on
my most recent list of Adobe faces, and while BitStream apparently does
have it, I understand it's only available for the IBM.
If you know where this font might be purchased, please advise!!
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Internet: Michael.Skinner@f109.n221.z1.FIDONET.ORGmouser@portia.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wang) (07/18/89)
In article <2636.24C15AB0@isishq.FIDONET.ORG> Michael.Skinner@f109.n221.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Skinner) writes: > While I'm sure many of us Mac users agree that Garamond Condensed, Apple's > corporate font, is very attractive, I find that it's a rather difficult > (if not impossible) font to purchase. Garamond Condensed doesn't appear on > my most recent list of Adobe faces, and while BitStream apparently does > have it, I understand it's only available for the IBM. > > If you know where this font might be purchased, please advise!! First, some background: Apple uses two different text weights of ITC Garamond Condensed in their documents and artwork. Most of Apple's ads that you see in magazines are done in ITC Garamond Book Condensed. Most of their other documents including manuals, employment ads, newsletters, etc., are done in ITC Garamond Light Condensed. Solution: Since ITC Garamond Light is readily available from Adobe, it would be nice if the condensed version could be created from the normal version. In fact, if you scale ITC Garamond Light by 80% horizontally, you have created the condensed version. The best program to do this in is Quark XPress, which can scale fonts directly in a text block (I'm inferring from your message that you want this typeface for the Macintosh). You can also do this in Ready,Set,Go! by pasting a text block into a graphic block scaled 80% horizontally. If you plan on using the condensed face at large sizes, or are going to be printing stuff out at 1270 dpi and up, see if there is somebody selling the Book weight of ITC Garamond (I haven't heard of any, but there probably is one) since it will look better under those conditions. Soapbox time: Make sure you really want to duplicate the "look and feel" of Apple's documents. There are many companies in the Mac market that copy "look and feel" of Apple's ads and after a while, they all begin to look the same. It's better to create your own original style, if possible, than to blatantly copy somebody else's. Designer notes: If you are worried about the "authenticity" of this scaling method, don't. This is the method used by Apple itself to create its text faces (I read about this method on Apple's Graphic Standards Poster). However, I don't know if this "condensed" version is identical to the condensed version ITC sells, but it probably is. The "ITC" part of the name is also important to note since there are many different versions of Garamond available for PostScript printers including ITC Garamond, Stempel Garamond, Garamond 3, and Adobe Garamond. Sabon is also another design based on the types by Claude Garamond. Many typographers get into heated discussions about the "authenticity" of the various Garamond faces. I won't bother, but make sure you get the proper version for the type of work you want to do. Sorry for the long-winded reponse, but I always get carried away when responding to messages in this newsgroup. -Michael Wang +--------------+------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Wang | 325 Melville Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301 | |--------------+------------------------------------------------------------| | ARPAnet, BITNET, CSNET, Internet: mouser@portia.stanford.edu | | UUCP: ...decwrl!portia.stanford.edu!mouser AppleLink: ST0064 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
amanda@intercon.uu.net (Amanda Walker) (07/19/89)
In article <2636.24C15AB0@isishq.FIDONET.ORG>, Michael.Skinner@f109.n221.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Skinner) writes: > If you know where this font might be purchased, please advise!! I don't know where you can buy it, however, it seems quite easy to produce if you want to do a little hacking. In particular, if your software can do transformations on text (such as Adobe Illustrator), just take normal Garamond and shrink it by 80% horizontally. If you're not afraid of getting your hands dirty, you can take the Adobe printer fonts for Garamond and edit the FontMatrix field to compress the characters by 80% horizontally. You can then take the screen fonts and compress them as well, and then finally edit the FOND resource with ResEdit so that it points at your new mangled printer fonts instead of the standard ones. I have done this, and it works like a charm, but it's complex enough that it would take me a while to type up a "cookbook" for doing it, unless there's a whole lot of interest... -- Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation -- amanda@intercon.uu.net | ...!uunet!intercon!amanda
Michael.Skinner@f109.n221.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Skinner) (07/20/89)
Thanks for your comments, Mike. Actually, I know Quark XPress is capable
of modifying the horizontal scale of any font. I have worked with XPress
in the past and, unfortunately, find the user interface leaves something
to be desired. Therefore, it's not practical for me to use it for any
serious work.
Your point regarding the use of Garamond Condensed in ads is well taken.
One only has to glance through a copy of MacWorld to see Garamond used to
considerable excess. While Garamond is my favourite font, even I get
tired of looking at it.
I'm hoping a future release of PageMaker will bring it up to par with
XPress for it's type manipulation features. Since PageMaker is, in my
opinion, by far preferrable to work with, that would solve the problem.
In the meantime, I have written a few letters regarding the availability
of Garamond Condensed from BitStream and will advise you on the result.
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