xdab@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Baird) (10/31/90)
Is there a way to utilize the fi and fl ligatures in
Ventura? The files are created in WordPerfect where
the extended ASCII characters are present, visible
on the screen, and print. However, when the WP files
are imported into Ventura, the ligatures are replaced
by boxes, and they do not print. The person who has
asked this question has talked to Ventura with no
satisfactory answer ("what is a ligature?" was one of
the responses from customer service). This is all being
done in a DOS environment.
Any and all suggestions, comments, or advice is welcome
and appreciated.
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X University of Chicago (312) 702-7161 Xv105mahs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P Donohue) (10/31/90)
In article <1990Oct30.215816.943@midway.uchicago.edu>, xdab@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Baird) writes... > >Is there a way to utilize the fi and fl ligatures in >Ventura? The files are created in WordPerfect where >the extended ASCII characters are present, visible >on the screen, and print. However, when the WP files >are imported into Ventura, the ligatures are replaced >by boxes, and they do not print. The person who has >asked this question has talked to Ventura with no >satisfactory answer ("what is a ligature?" was one of >the responses from customer service). This is all being >done in a DOS environment. > I had to look up in my dictionary what a ligature is before I could try this. Ventura supports some, such as the A-E (character 145 and 146) and O-C (character 180 and 181), but does not support others in its normal character sets. One possible solution would be to check the various Postscript fonts that are available or (if you don't have a Postscript printer) to see if a company such as Bitstream carries a font collection that will do. Another possibility would be to create the characters graphically. This is much more time consuming and would be a pain to size. Good luck. Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter P. Donohue - University at Buffalo, Graduate School of Management bitnet: V105MAHS@UBVMS . "Education is a journy internet: V105MAHS@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU . not a destination..."
xdab@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Baird) (11/01/90)
In article <43498@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v105mahs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes: >In article <1990Oct30.215816.943@midway.uchicago.edu>, xdab@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Baird) writes... >> >>Is there a way to utilize the fi and fl ligatures in >>Ventura? The files are created in WordPerfect where > [stuff deleted] > > I had to look up in my dictionary what a ligature is before I could try >this. Ventura supports some, such as the A-E (character 145 and 146) and >O-C (character 180 and 181), but does not support others in its normal >character sets. One possible solution would be to check the various >Postscript fonts that are available or (if you don't have a Postscript >printer) to see if a company such as Bitstream carries a font collection >that will do. The person asking me about this is using a postscript font, and the ligatures _are_ present in WordPerfect, but Ventura is not, seeming, able to display or print these ligatures. So I guess the question boils down to "is Ventura on DOS machines capable of displaying and printing common typographic ligatures, especially in light of its hype as a publishing environment?" -- X-----------------------------------------------------------------------------X X David Baird xdab@midway.uchicago.edu X X University Computing Organizations d-baird@uchicago.edu X X University of Chicago (312) 702-7161 X
BL.JPL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jonathan Lavigne) (11/02/90)
In article <1990Oct31.163857.25462@midway.uchicago.edu>, xdab@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Baird) writes: >In article <43498@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v105mahs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes: >>In article <1990Oct30.215816.943@midway.uchicago.edu>, xdab@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Baird) writes... >>> >>>Is there a way to utilize the fi and fl ligatures in >>>Ventura? The files are created in WordPerfect where >> [stuff deleted] The standard Ventura character sets do not contain the fi and fl ligatures, although the standard Adobe PostScript character set does include these characters. The September 1989 issue of Ventura Professional contains an article that tells you how to substitute the two ligatures for two characters in the Ventura international character set. It's a pretty involved procedure that requires you to get the width values of the ligatures and the characters you're substituting for and make changes to Ventura's PostScript prep file and width table. You've got to make these changes for each typeface and style in which you want to use the ligatures. If you're working with resident fonts on your printer, you need to log on to the printer and use PostScript's "executive" mode to get the width values. I guess I could send a copy of the article to anyone who's interested enough to send me a stamped, self-addressed legal size envelope. My mailing address is: Research Libraries Group, 1200 Villa Street, Mountain View, CA 94041-1100. Jonathan Lavigne BL.JPL@RLG.STANFORD.EDU Research Libraries Group Stanford University
arndt@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Paul A. Arndt) (11/09/90)
If you want automatic ligature conversion you should be using TeX and not Ventura Publisher. TeX is the best program I have seen for this type of work and it does all the english ligature replacements automatically if they have been included in the TeX TFM (TeX Font Metrics) file. Granted TeX is a batch oriented text formatter, but it provides the cleanest and best text formatting I have seen. I don't think PageMaker will do automatic ligature replacements either. Although, I just got some info from Aldus on PageMaker 4.0 for the Mac (sorry about that) and hopefully it will be available on the PC under Windows 3.0 soon. I think it had automatic ligature correction (but I am not completely sure) and it now has track/pair kerning, will create tables of contents, indexes using chapter files and merging them at print time, and a host of other features. Just hope it gets on the PC platform soon.