len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) (08/17/88)
So.. Are there any volunteers to run the mailing list? Eric seems to be too busy.. Am I wasting time by suggesting this? All bug reports can be forwarded to Eric as a matter of course, but the alpha list has to become a reality if Elm is to be de-bugged and released to the net. Everyone has to stay at the same release level.. There were several things done to get it up on ames and netsys (BSD 4.3 and SVR3.1 respectively) .. I am sure Eric never intended this to turn out this way,but we can't let the ball drop now. -- Len Rose - Netsys,Inc. len@ames.arc.nasa.gov or len@netsys (soon to be netsys.COM)
rob@pbhyf.PacBell.COM (Rob Bernardo) (08/17/88)
In article <9963@netsys.COM> len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) writes:
+So.. Are there any volunteers to run the mailing list? Eric
+seems to be too busy.. Am I wasting time by suggesting this?
If Eric is too busy (I'm disappointed he couldn't even let us know),
then maybe the person who got the second greatest number of votes
when we voted for coordinator should take over the job. I don't
think you're wasting your time at all.
There are a few of us on the testers mailing list who are mailing
out fixes for bugs we've found. I must have put out nearly a dozen
fixes so far. (No nasty comments on the fact that each one fixed
bugs I introduced in the one before. :-) ) A few times I sent out
to the mailing list a inquiry because the fix I wanted to make
was really a minor *design* change. Most of the time there has been
*no* feedback at all. That's disappointing. At first I was afraid
there'd be too many opinions and differing fixes, (Too many cooks
spoil the soup.) but I guess the opposite has happened.
--
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Email: ...![backbone]!pacbell!rob OR rob@PacBell.COM
Office: (415) 823-2417 Room 4E750A, San Ramon Valley Administrative Center
Residence: (415) 827-4301 R Bar JB, Concord, Californialen@netsys.COM (Len Rose) (08/17/88)
I just heard that Eric no longer works for Altos,and will be back in two weeks or so.. I would never have suggested all this if someone had bothered to let us know what was going on. -- Len Rose - Netsys,Inc. len@ames.arc.nasa.gov or len@netsys (soon to be netsys.COM)
dave@csd1.milw.wisc.edu (David A Rasmussen) (08/18/88)
From article <9974@netsys.COM>, by len@netsys.COM (Len Rose): > I just heard that Eric no longer works for Altos,and will be > back in two weeks or so.. I would never have suggested all this > if someone had bothered to let us know what was going on. > -- > Len Rose - Netsys,Inc. > len@ames.arc.nasa.gov or len@netsys (soon to be netsys.COM) yes, I remember reading something about hs returning in a few weeks a few weeks ago.... Dave Rasmussen c/o Computing Services Division @ U of WI - Milwaukee Internet: dave@csd4.milw.wisc.edu Uucp: uwvax!uwmcsd1!uwmcsd4!dave {o,o} Csnet: dave%uwmcsd4@uwm Bellnet: +1 (414) 229-5133 \u/ ICBM: 43 4 58 N/ 87 55 52 W Usnail: Box 413 EMS E380, Milw WI 53201
lyndon@ncc.Nexus.CA (Lyndon Nerenberg) (08/18/88)
In article <9974@netsys.COM> len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) writes: >I just heard that Eric no longer works for Altos,and will be >back in two weeks or so.. I would never have suggested all this >if someone had bothered to let us know what was going on. Eric's "downtime" was announced on the beta mailing list. Of course if you're not on the list... -- VE6BBM {alberta,pyramid,uunet}!ncc!lyndon lyndon@Nexus.CA
taylor@hplabs.hp.com (Dave Taylor) (08/18/88)
I'd like to be added to any mailing lists dealing with Elm, please. I have no idea who owns them, however... -- Dave Taylor
howardl@wb3ffv.UUCP (Howard Leadmon ) (08/18/88)
In article <9963@netsys.COM>, len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) writes: > So.. Are there any volunteers to run the mailing list? Eric > seems to be too busy.. Am I wasting time by suggesting this? Well I would be willing to gateway a mailling list for the Alpha testers through this machine, but will not set around and play moderator (which I don't think we need). If everyone that is testing the code would like me to do this please drop a note to howardl@wb3ffv.UUCP (uunet!mimsy!aplcen! wb3ffv!howardl). If there is sufficient interest I will set it up and post a message to this group... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP/SMTP : howardl@wb3ffv | Howard D. Leadmon PACKET : WB3FFV @ W3ITM | Fast Computer Service, Inc. IP Address: 44.60.0.1 | P.O. Box 171 Telephone : (301)-335-2206 | Chase, MD 21027-0171
len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) (08/18/88)
In article <10380@ncc.Nexus.CA> lyndon@ncc.nexus.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes: #In article <9974@netsys.COM> len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) writes: #>I just heard that Eric no longer works for Altos,and will be #>back in two weeks or so.. I would never have suggested all this #>if someone had bothered to let us know what was going on. # #Eric's "downtime" was announced on the beta mailing list. Of #course if you're not on the list... #-- #VE6BBM {alberta,pyramid,uunet}!ncc!lyndon lyndon@Nexus.CA That is pretty dumb when it is obvious I am on the alpha mailing list. We are about as well connected as a uucp site can be,and I and several others in the Metro DC area did not receive any notification,and have not received traffic from the list since the very first message saying that the alpha source would be available shortly. -- Len Rose - Netsys,Inc. len@ames.arc.nasa.gov or len@netsys (soon to be netsys.COM)
lyndon@ncc.Nexus.CA (Lyndon Nerenberg) (08/19/88)
In article <9993@netsys.COM> len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) writes: > >That is pretty dumb when it is obvious I am on the alpha mailing list. Seems to me that if you were on the list you would have received the announcement, along with the rest of the list traffic. Lighten up! -- VE6BBM {alberta,pyramid,uunet}!ncc!lyndon lyndon@Nexus.CA
len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) (08/19/88)
Well,Guess I will have to out and get a copy of the Alpha list testers that Eric sent to this news group to prove my membership :-) .. Seriously though,at least 6 people in this area did not receive any other traffic but the lone message "Elm 2.1 is almost ready and will be avail. in a few days" .. I can speak only for myself but I'd say that the message re: eric's new job status was not delivered to anyone in this area. -- Len Rose - Netsys,Inc. len@ames.arc.nasa.gov or len@netsys (soon to be netsys.COM)
chad@anasaz.UUCP (Chad R. Larson) (08/23/88)
[ deleted stuff about alpha-list credentials ] Well! When len posted the alpha-list mailing I noticed I was on it! News to me! I haven't received ANY mailings. I thought my volunteering was ignored because there were enough testers already. Perhaps the list is broken, or my address (chad@dcfinc.UUCP) doesn't work from some sites. Might I suggest a "This is a test" simultaneous posting to this group and to the list as a reality check? It might explain a lot of the postings of the "I haven't heard anything about...." crl --------------- "I read the news today, oh boy!" --John Lennon =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | DCF, Inc. | UUCP: ...noao!mcdsun!nud!anasaz!dcfinc!chad | | 14623 North 49th Place | Ma Bell: (602) 953-1392 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85254 | Loran: N-33deg37min20sec W-111deg58min26sec | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Disclaimer: These ARE the opinions of my employer! | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) (08/24/88)
I suggest that we give Eric one more week and then assign the job for Elm 2.1 preperation to syd at dsinc or one of the other candidates. When and if Eric comes back he can pick up from elm 2.1 .. If we don't take charge of the situation now nothing will ever get done. A Palace Revolution? Len -- Len Rose - Netsys,Inc. len@ames.arc.nasa.gov or len@netsys (soon to be netsys.COM)
howardl@wb3ffv.UUCP (Howard Leadmon ) (08/25/88)
In article <431@hptsug2.HP.COM>, taylor@hplabs.hp.com (Dave Taylor) writes: > I'd like to be added to any mailing lists dealing with Elm, please. > > I have no idea who owns them, however... > > -- Dave Taylor Hello Dave, I hope you and the others on the NET have better luck that I have, as I received the first one or two mailings from Eric stating that I was part of the alpha test list, and that he would soon mail (to the list) where the sources were avalible from. In fact I even setup a UUCP connection to altnet, and sent several direct messages to him, but still NO RESPONSE!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP/SMTP : howardl@wb3ffv | Howard D. Leadmon PACKET : WB3FFV @ W3ITM | Fast Computer Service, Inc. IP Address: 44.60.0.1 | P.O. Box 171 Telephone : (301)-335-2206 | Chase, MD 21027-0171
gary@ethos.UUCP (Gary J. Smith) (08/25/88)
In article <10380@ncc.Nexus.CA>, lyndon@ncc.Nexus.CA (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes: > Eric's "downtime" was announced on the beta mailing list. Of > course if you're not on the list... I *am* on the list and received the first two mailings, but I have not received any notification of Eric's downtime and I have not been instructed on any procedure to obtain the alpha source. I tried sending mail to len@netsys, but it keeps getting bounced back. If any of the other alpha testers would please instruct me on some means of obtaining the source, I would greatly appreciate it. -- Gary J. Smith mcnc!ethos!gary POB 8005, Gray, TN 37615
syd@dsinc.UUCP (Syd Weinstein) (08/26/88)
In article <10106@netsys.COM>, len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) writes: > I suggest that we give Eric one more week and then assign the job > for Elm 2.1 preperation to syd at dsinc or one of the other candidates. > > When and if Eric comes back he can pick up from elm 2.1 .. > > If we don't take charge of the situation now nothing will ever get done. > I agree with Len, but I wish to modify the suggestion slightly. If I have not heard from Eric (from which I have posted several direct mail pieces over the past two weeks) by this weekend, I will prepare a test 2.1 and place it on my machine. The testers will then have a short time to get it and verify it compiles cleanly on their machines. If all goes well, I will send it to Rich Salz for distribution. 2.1 will contain only bug fixes and portability issues. All patches posted for new features, including the ones I sent to the mailing list, will be kept for 2.2 which will start immediately after 2.1 is released. -- ===================================================================== Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP Datacomp Systems, Inc. Voice: (215) 947-9900 {allegra,bellcore,bpa,vu-vlsi}!dsinc!syd FAX: (215) 938-0235
oneill@bu-tyng.bu.edu (Brian O'Neill) (08/26/88)
In article <10106@netsys.COM> len@netsys.COM (Len Rose) writes: >I suggest that we give Eric one more week and then assign the job >for Elm 2.1 preperation to syd at dsinc or one of the other candidates. > >When and if Eric comes back he can pick up from elm 2.1 .. > Sounds good to me. I've been waiting for 2.1, and just last week received a message about Eric leaving Altos, after it bounced around for a few weeks. Other than that, I received nothing at either of my addresses. Hopefully Eric will re-appear sometime soon. -- =========================================================================== Brian O'Neill - Boston University Corporate Education Center, Tyngsboro, MA UUCP: {decvax!elrond,ulowell}!bu-tyng!oneill --------- oneill@bu-tyng.UUCP Internet: oneill@bu-tyng.bu.edu (617) 649-9731 x14