markw@gvlv2.GVL.Unisys.COM (Mark H. Weber) (04/21/89)
In article <1579@umbio.MIAMI.EDU>, aem@ibiza.Miami.Edu (a.e.mossberg) writes: > > ... had to do an 'i' to go back and were hopelessly confused. > We have had the same complaint here. I discovered that 'q' works as well as 'i' to return to the index. You might find this more natural. I use "less -pmQ" as a pager ("(D)isplay mail using" in your options menu), so I hit 'qq' when I'm done with a message. ------------------------------------------------------------ Mark H. Weber ( markw@GVL.Unisys.COM or ...!gvlv2!markw ) Unisys Defense Systems - Great Valley Laboratories PO Box 517 Paoli, PA 19301 (215) 648-7111
rob@PacBell.COM (Rob Bernardo) (04/21/89)
In article <204@gvlv2.GVL.Unisys.COM> markw@gvlv2.GVL.Unisys.COM (Mark H. Weber) writes: +In article <1579@umbio.MIAMI.EDU>, aem@ibiza.Miami.Edu (a.e.mossberg) writes: +> ... had to do an 'i' to go back and were hopelessly confused. + We have had the same complaint here. I discovered that 'q' works as well +as 'i' to return to the index. You might find this more natural. I'm not sure why someone would be confused since it says rather explicitly something like "i to return to index screen". In any case to make things more consistent than they were, we decided on the following (after lots and lots of discussion): i returns you to the index screen from a variety of "subordinate" screens q quits the current operation and pops you back to the next higher operation. (Thus on some "subordinate" screens this winds up being the same as 'i', and on the index screen this exits the program.) Formerly there was all manner of characters to return to the index screen, including 'x', 'r', 'q', .... We tried to tighten things up, to give one meaning to each command keystroke consistently throughout elm as much as was possible. -- Rob Bernardo, Pacific Bell UNIX/C Reusable Code Library Email: ...![backbone]!pacbell!pbhyf!rob OR rob@pbhyf.PacBell.COM Office: (415) 823-2417 Room 4E850O San Ramon Valley Administrative Center Residence: (415) 827-4301 R Bar JB, Concord, California
scs@vax3.iti.org (Steve Simmons) (04/21/89)
In article <5083@pbhyf.PacBell.COM> rob@PacBell.COM (Rob Bernardo) writes: >In article <204@gvlv2.GVL.Unisys.COM> markw@gvlv2.GVL.Unisys.COM (Mark H. Weber) writes: >+as 'i' to return to the index. You might find this more natural. > >I'm not sure why someone would be confused since it says rather explicitly >something like "i to return to index screen". I think they (and I) am complaining about something slightly different, Rob. The issue is not so much about the quality of the 2.2 interface and the reasonableness of the commands. It's that we have hundreds and hundreds of users who've gotten elm 2.1/1.7 usage down to the point of muscle memory -- and now their muscles are wrong. After 10 days of massive use of 2.2 (200+ messages per day) I'm *still* making errors. If this were the first release of elm, 95% of the complaints you're seeing wouldn't be there. Steve Simmons Just another midwestern boy scs@vax3.iti.org -- or -- ...!sharkey!itivax!scs "Hey...you *can* get here from here!"