david@wubios.wustl.edu (David J. Camp) (04/22/89)
I have received a number of responses to my inquiry about the logging of outgoing messages. Everyone told me the same thing: so set 'copy = ON' and 'savemail = <folder>' in my ~/.elm/elmrc file. I had already had these options set, and no mail was being deposited in the specified folder. I have since discovered that my mail is being deposited in folders having the same name as the recipient of the message. I am not sure whether I like this behavior or not. Is there a way I can specify that the messages all be filed in a single file again? -David- -- Bitnet: david@wubios.wustl ^ Mr. David J. Camp Internet: david%wubios@wucs1.wustl.edu < * > Box 8067, Biostatistics uucp: uunet!wucs1!wubios!david v 660 South Euclid Washington University (314) 36-23635 Saint Louis, MO 63110
rob@PacBell.COM (Rob Bernardo) (04/23/89)
In article <448@wubios.wustl.edu> david@wubios.wustl.edu (David J. Camp) writes:
+ Is there a way I can specify
+that the messages all be filed in a single file again? -David-
Yes. RTFM.
I would suggest that any serious user of elm read the entire Reference Guide
from cover to cover.
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Residence: (415) 827-4301 R Bar JB, Concord, Californiaaqm@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Steve Weinrich) (04/24/89)
In article <448@wubios.wustl.edu> david@wubios.wustl.edu (David J. Camp) writes: >I have received a number of responses to my inquiry about the logging of >outgoing messages. Everyone told me the same thing: so set 'copy = ON' >and 'savemail = <folder>' in my ~/.elm/elmrc file. I had already had >these options set, and no mail was being deposited in the specified >folder. I cannot see from your description, but it appears that you might have made a slight error in declaring what 'folder' you want your mail to go into. If you declare the <folder> with a directory, then ELM will figure you want each message to be sorted. But, if you declare the <folder> with a file name, ie: outbound then, ELM will save all your outgoing messages in there. I once set the outbound <folder> to: mbox This had interesting effects. Due to the fact that ELM only saves incoming messages AFTER your quit, and outbound messages immediately after sending them, if I looked at mbox, my replys would come before the messages that prompted them. :-) Good luck. -Steve -- Steve Weinrich - Purdue University - Waterfront Computing Operations E-Mail: aqm@{mace,mentor,h,i,j,k,s,staff}.cc.purdue.edu hzm@en.ecn.purdue.edu
rob@PacBell.COM (Rob Bernardo) (04/24/89)
In article <2267@mace.cc.purdue.edu> aqm@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Steve Weinrich) writes: +In article <448@wubios.wustl.edu> david@wubios.wustl.edu (David J. Camp) writes: +>I have received a number of responses to my inquiry about the logging of +>outgoing messages. Everyone told me the same thing: so set 'copy = ON' +>and 'savemail = <folder>' in my ~/.elm/elmrc file. I had already had +>these options set, and no mail was being deposited in the specified +>folder. + + I cannot see from your description, but it appears that you might +have made a slight error in declaring what 'folder' you want your +mail to go into. If you declare the <folder> with a directory, then +ELM will figure you want each message to be sorted. But, if you declare +the <folder> with a file name, ie: outbound then, ELM will save +all your outgoing messages in there. If I am understanding what Steve wrote here, it's simply not the way ELM works. Even though I already posted "RTFM" in response to David's posting, I think I'll reply in full to nip any misinformation in the bud. Saving a copy of outgoing messages is governed in two areas: your elmrc, and a run-time option settable on a per-message basis. elmrc If copy = ON in your elmrc, a copy of each outgoing message will be saved by default. If savename = ON (and copy = ON) in your elmrc, a copy of each outgoing message will be "saved by name", otherwise it will be saved to the folder denoted by the "sentmail" (aka savemail and saveto) option of your elmrc. runtime When sending a message (mail, reply, or forward commands), the send menu has a new option 'c', to alter the defaults as set in your elmrc (see above) for this particular outgoing message. You have four choices: - not save a copy - save to the "sentmail" folder - save by name - save to a specifically named folder One further note, if in the end, the save-by-name option is in force, a copy will be saved in a folder in your folders directory whose name is taken from the logname of the first "To:" address of the message. -- Rob Bernardo, Pacific Bell UNIX/C Reusable Code Library Email: ...![backbone]!pacbell!pbhyf!rob OR rob@pbhyf.PacBell.COM Office: (415) 823-2417 Room 4E850O San Ramon Valley Administrative Center Residence: (415) 827-4301 R Bar JB, Concord, California
plocher%sally@Sun.COM (John Plocher) (04/25/89)
+---- In article <5096@pbhyf.PacBell.COM> Rob Bernardo writes: | +---- In article <448@wubios.wustl.edu> David J. Camp writes: | | Is there a way ... messages all be filed in a single file again? | +---- | Yes. RTFM. +---- Am I the only one out here who is getting the impression that Rob just doesn't like end users? This message COULD have included the answer to David's question, but as it was posted it has a 0% signal to noise ratio! Come On you guys - we aren't trying to make you look bad or to minimize the great job that you have done - not at all! We (as much as you) would like to see this project produce the best UA it can. To this goal we are trying to offer our best CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. If you take this as a personal insult (as you seem to) then may I suggest that you find someone else to be the liason between the developers and the users? We can't afford to let personalities get in the way. -John Plocher
rob@PacBell.COM (Rob Bernardo) (04/25/89)
In article <100747@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> plocher@sun.UUCP (John Plocher) writes: ++---- In article <5096@pbhyf.PacBell.COM> Rob Bernardo writes: +| +---- In article <448@wubios.wustl.edu> David J. Camp writes: +| | Is there a way ... messages all be filed in a single file again? +| +---- +| Yes. RTFM. ++---- + +Am I the only one out here who is getting the impression that Rob just +doesn't like end users? This message COULD have included the answer +to David's question, but as it was posted it has a 0% signal to noise ratio! You've taken my posting the wrong way. What I intended to convey was that the issue was covered quite well in the documentation. (I don't consider "RTFM" as an angry response - it's just a set phrase, which to me [and others] means that the documentation covers the issue well.) As posting costs $$, it saves money to point someone to the fuller authority rather than post or paraphrase the whole section of the documentation that's relevant. + To this goal we are +trying to offer our best CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. If you take this as a +personal insult (as you seem to) then may I suggest that you find someone +else to be the liason between the developers and the users? Hm. I'm confused here. David's posting wasn't a criticism; it was a request for information. And I wasn't insulted by it. You've misinterpreted intentions here. It would behoove us who wish to use this group for clear communication to remove whatever is stuck in their craw (yours truly included :-) ) and relax. From my viewpoint as an elm developer, this group is gaining the tenor of a lynch mob. As I've said before, it would benefit users of elm 2.2 to read the reference guide as it explains quite well (IMHO) some of the new features and heretofore undocumented features of elm. Also, I'm just posting here just like anyone else. I'm not a liason for the development team nor am a spokesperson for the team. The views I express are solely my own. -- Rob Bernardo, Pacific Bell UNIX/C Reusable Code Library Email: ...![backbone]!pacbell!pbhyf!rob OR rob@pbhyf.PacBell.COM Office: (415) 823-2417 Room 4E850O San Ramon Valley Administrative Center Residence: (415) 827-4301 R Bar JB, Concord, California
gis@datlog.co.uk ( Ian Stewartson ) (04/25/89)
In article <5096@pbhyf.PacBell.COM> rob@PacBell.COM (Rob Bernardo) writes: >In article <448@wubios.wustl.edu> david@wubios.wustl.edu (David J. Camp) writes: >+ Is there a way I can specify >+that the messages all be filed in a single file again? -David- > >Yes. RTFM. > >I would suggest that any serious user of elm read the entire Reference Guide >from cover to cover. Since this function/feature changed from 2.1 to 2.2, it took me a day to discover why this feature didn't work. This seems a reasonable question to ask. I always have time to read through 100 pages of documentation to spot the changes on an upgrade You have to set savename to OFF. Why cannot questions be answered with a little more courtesy - if you aren't prepared to give an answer to a reasonable question, why waste my time with a flame. Ian Stewartson Data Logic Ltd, Queens House, Greenhill Way, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 1YR, UK. (Phone) +44 1 863 0383 (Telex) 888103 (Fax) +44 1 861 2010 (Network) gis@datlog.co.uk or ukc!datlog!gis A strange voice answered him. "Problem, a little problem? Well, at least it's not a fully grown adult problem."
plocher%sally@Sun.COM (John Plocher) (04/26/89)
In article <5110@pbhyf.PacBell.COM> rob@PacBell.COM (Rob Bernardo) writes: >You've >misinterpreted intentions here. It would behoove us who wish to use >this group for clear communication to remove whatever is stuck in >their craw (yours truly included :-) ) and relax. From my viewpoint >as an elm developer, this group is gaining the tenor of a lynch mob. And I seem to have been the one holding the bucket of tar :-) I'm sorry about the ruckus - you know the old speck/log in eye problem. As someone else said, when the biggest gripes a person can come up with are those involving the way things look on the screen you don't really have *serious* problems. Thanks for setting me straight. Now off to some on-the-job training... % /usr/games/hangman -John Plocher