jeff@fdls.odag.or.gov (Jeff Hyatt) (08/30/90)
Has anyone used WordPerfect as an editor for elm? If so, would you let me know about your successes and/or failures. I would like users to be able to draft e-mail with a minimum of fuss. Thanks in advance for any helpful information. If there is interest, I'll post a summary of responses. Jeff@fdls.odag.or.gov or uunet!fdls!jeff Oregon Department of Agriculture Export Center, Portland, OR
tkevans@oss670.UUCP (Tim Evans) (08/31/90)
In <288@fdls.odag.or.gov> jeff@fdls.odag.or.gov (Jeff Hyatt) writes: >Has anyone used WordPerfect as an editor for elm? If so, would you let me >know about your successes and/or failures. I would like users to be able to >draft e-mail with a minimum of fuss. One of the great things about 'elm' is that you can use any editor you have on your system to compose messages. The trade-off is the speed with which it loads, works, etc. I tried using my full-featured word processor (Crystal Writer) on my '286 UNIX box, but found that the time to load the damned thing was so long that I hated waiting for it, just to do a two or three line message. Of course, other editors/word processors on other systems would probably load faster. An even better idea would be a stripped down 'emacs' (or other programmable editor) which you configure to run like your favorite word processor. -- cc:Mail Tim K. Evans at ~OSS UUCP ...!{rutgers|ames|uunet}!mimsy!woodb!tkevans INTERNET tkevans%woodb@mimsy.umd.edu PHONE: (301) 965-3286 US MAIL 6401 Security Blvd, 2-Q-2 Operations, Baltimore, MD 21235
taylor@limbo.Intuitive.Com (Dave Taylor) (09/04/90)
Tim Evans comments, in response to a request from Jeff Hyatt, that: > I tried using my full-featured word processor on my '286 UNIX box, but > found that the time to load the damned thing was so long that I hated > waiting for it, just to do a two or three line message. As it turns out, that's the primary motivator for the builtin "editor": it's where you can begin composition of your message without any overhead at all, then, if you find yourself getting 'into it', you can use "~v" to get vi, "~e" to get emacs, and "~o prog" to get program 'prog' started with your editor of choice. Of course, this doesn't lessen the awkwardness of the builtin "editor" especially for a neophyte or non-technical user, but... -- Dave Taylor Intuitive Systems Mountain View, California taylor@limbo.intuitive.com or {uunet!}{decwrl,apple}!limbo!taylor
dickw@cnps.PHILIPS.nl (Dick Wiersma) (09/04/90)
tkevans@oss670.UUCP (Tim Evans) writes: > In <288@fdls.odag.or.gov> jeff@fdls.odag.or.gov (Jeff Hyatt) writes: > >Has anyone used WordPerfect as an editor for elm? If so, would you let me > >know about your successes and/or failures. I would like users to be able to > >draft e-mail with a minimum of fuss. > One of the great things about 'elm' is that you can use any editor you > have on your system to compose messages. The trade-off is the speed with > which it loads, works, etc. We use elm here as the default mailer and for some people (the ones not being familiar with vi) we have configured elm so that wp is started as the editor (see configuration for that). The only thing you have to notice is that: a) you save the file as an ASCII image (ctrl-F5), not using the normal save procedure, b) be sure your customized signature does not wrap around, because this is annoying. Starting up if fairly fast (depending of course upon the performance of the system). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dick Wiersma | Ned. Philips Bedrijven B.V. | dickw@cnps.philips.nl Philips C&P services | Postbus 218 | Tel.: (040-7)32354 VA-23 | 5600 MD Eindhoven | Fax.: (040-7)35940
kamphau@oktext.sbc.com (Mark Kamphaus) (09/05/90)
In article <524@oss670.UUCP> tkevans@oss670.UUCP (Tim Evans) writes: >In <288@fdls.odag.or.gov> jeff@fdls.odag.or.gov (Jeff Hyatt) writes: > >>Has anyone used WordPerfect as an editor for elm? If so, would you let me >>know about your successes and/or failures. I would like users to be able to >>draft e-mail with a minimum of fuss. > >One of the great things about 'elm' is that you can use any editor you >have on your system to compose messages. Even though WordPerfect can be used, doesn't its embedding of control characters in the text cause havok with sending files in the WordPerfect format? To the receipiant? If it works and can send readable WordPerfect formatted files, please let me know. Otherwise, the workaround of generating a standard (ascii) text output and '<' the file to elm can be used.
ror@grassys.bc.ca (Richard O'Rourke) (09/05/90)
In article <1153@limbo.Intuitive.Com>, taylor@limbo.Intuitive.Com (Dave Taylor) writes: > Tim Evans comments, in response to a request from Jeff Hyatt, that: > > > I tried using my full-featured word processor on my '286 UNIX box, but > > found that the time to load the damned thing was so long that I hated > > waiting for it, just to do a two or three line message. > The biggest problem (I think) that the original poster will have to overcome is wp's inane and stubborn insistence on saving the edit buffer to a wordperfect document. If anyone has a command line defined macro for wp that overwrites the default function key used for a document save to force an ascii save please post it! Otherwise, my users will never use email. Sigh. Richard O'Rourke: (604)438-8249 | Grass Root Systems: 436-1995 UUCP: uunet!van-bc!mplex!grassys!ror | Smart UUCP: ror@grassys.bc.ca ror@grassys.wimsey.bc.ca |
bill@wgc386.mv.com (William Gibbs) (09/05/90)
In <524@oss670.UUCP> tkevans@oss670.UUCP (Tim Evans) writes: >In <288@fdls.odag.or.gov> jeff@fdls.odag.or.gov (Jeff Hyatt) writes: >>Has anyone used WordPerfect as an editor for elm? If so, would you let me >>know about your successes and/or failures. I would like users to be able to >>draft e-mail with a minimum of fuss. >One of the great things about 'elm' is that you can use any editor you >have on your system to compose messages. The trade-off is the speed with >which it loads, works, etc. I tried using my full-featured word processor >(Crystal Writer) on my '286 UNIX box, but found that the time to load > [Stuff deleted] I have a client that is using WordPerfect as an editor for elm. The major problem seems to be getting people to remember to save the file as a UNIX text file and not as a WordPerfect file. Also, there are complaints about how slowly WP starts up. What Elm needs is a nice, easy to use, basic editor. Bill -- William Gibbs bill@wgc386.mv.com 34G Bay Ridge Drive Nashua, NH 03062-4723 (603) 888-8313 {decvax | harvard}!zinn!wgc386!bill
tkevans@fallst.UUCP (Tim Evans) (09/07/90)
In <1990Sep5.105210.8865@wgc386.mv.com> bill@wgc386.mv.com (William Gibbs) writes: >In <524@oss670.UUCP> tkevans@oss670.UUCP (Tim Evans) writes: >>In <288@fdls.odag.or.gov> jeff@fdls.odag.or.gov (Jeff Hyatt) writes: >>>Has anyone used WordPerfect as an editor for elm? >>One of the great things about 'elm' is that you can use any editor you >>have on your system to compose messages. The trade-off is the speed with >>which it loads, works, etc. >about how slowly WP starts up. What Elm needs is a nice, easy to use, >basic editor. I'll repeat my earlier suggestion in this discussion. Get MicroEmacs, mg2a, or other "little" EMACS, then do basic keybindings to make it look and act like your favorite word processor. -- UUCP: {rutgers|ames|uunet}!mimsy!woodb!fallst!tkevans INTERNET: tkevans%fallst@wb3ffv.ampr.org Tim Evans 2201 Brookhaven Ct, Fallston, MD 21047
gerard@Bull.NL (GerardJan Vinkesteyn) (09/10/90)
In article <1721@fallst.UUCP>, tkevans@fallst.UUCP (Tim Evans) writes: > In <1990Sep5.105210.8865@wgc386.mv.com> bill@wgc386.mv.com (William Gibbs) writes: > >In <524@oss670.UUCP> tkevans@oss670.UUCP (Tim Evans) writes: > >>In <288@fdls.odag.or.gov> jeff@fdls.odag.or.gov (Jeff Hyatt) writes: > >>>Has anyone used WordPerfect as an editor for elm? > > I'll repeat my earlier suggestion in this discussion. Get MicroEmacs, > mg2a, or other "little" EMACS, then do basic keybindings to make it > look and act like your favorite word processor. I use, with great satisfaction, Jove as an emacs like editor. It works on both PC's and Unix. -- Gerard Jan Vinkesteyn \ / Bull Netherlands Internet: gerard@bull.n X Hoogoorddreef 66-68 Uucp: nlbull!gerard / \ 1101 BE Amsterdam Phone: +31 20 565 2394 isfun Fax: +31 20 565 2950
pgr@GroupW.cns.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson) (09/24/90)
In article <1310@cnps.PHILIPS.nl> dickw@cnps.PHILIPS.nl (Dick Wiersma) writes: >We use elm here as the default mailer and for some people (the ones not >being familiar with vi) we have configured elm so that wp is started as the >editor (see configuration for that). >The only thing you have to notice is that: >a) you save the file as an ASCII image (ctrl-F5), not using the normal save > procedure, >b) be sure your customized signature does not wrap around, because this is > annoying. >Starting up if fairly fast (depending of course upon the performance of the >system). Are you people talking about DOS WordPerfect? or Unix? If you're talking about DOS, -*-*- PLEASE -*-*- let me know where I can find a DOS version of Elm...! Thanks, -Patrick