mjo@irie.ais.org (Mike O'Connor) (04/14/91)
I would like to put a header in my .elm/elmheaders file like: WARNING: This message will self-destruct!!! Under the Elm I'm running (2.3, PL 11), the header becomes: Warning: This message will self-destruct!!! Is this standard header behavior? Is this standard Elm behavior? Would I want to change this behavior? ==== Mike O'Connor (mjo@ais.org)
rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (Rob Bernardo) (04/16/91)
Mike O'Connor <mjo@ais.org> wrote: >I would like to put a header in my .elm/elmheaders file like: > >WARNING: This message will self-destruct!!! > >Under the Elm I'm running (2.3, PL 11), the header becomes: > >Warning: This message will self-destruct!!! I just did a quick check: it happens here, but I don't see it in the elm code. I think it must be sendmail that does the change. -- Rob Bernardo Mt. Diablo Software Solutions email: rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US phone: (415) 827-4301
rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (Rob Bernardo) (04/25/91)
rasmus@napc.uucp (Rasmus Lerdorf) wrote: >I have a Reply-To line in my elmheaders file. However, it is not in all >cases I want the Reply-To line to be added. For example, local mail >should not have the silly Reply-To line appended and when I add my own >Reply-To line after writing a message it shouldn't add another one. I >sent one message the other day and it turned out to contain two Reply-To >lines. Is this a bug or am I just daft? The contents of the elmheaders file are merely appended to your headers. There is no processing to eliminate duplicates or whatever. That's how it works. -- Rob Bernardo Mt. Diablo Software Solutions email: rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US phone: (415) 827-4301
herman@corpane.uucp (Harry Herman) (04/28/91)
In <1991Apr25.150333.14057@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US> rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (Rob Bernardo) writes: >rasmus@napc.uucp (Rasmus Lerdorf) wrote: >>I have a Reply-To line in my elmheaders file. However, it is not in all >>cases I want the Reply-To line to be added. For example, local mail >>should not have the silly Reply-To line appended and when I add my own >>Reply-To line after writing a message it shouldn't add another one. I >>sent one message the other day and it turned out to contain two Reply-To >>lines. Is this a bug or am I just daft? >The contents of the elmheaders file are merely appended to your headers. >There is no processing to eliminate duplicates or whatever. That's >how it works. >-- >Rob Bernardo Mt. Diablo Software Solutions >email: rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US phone: (415) 827-4301 I have the same problem. I most cases I want the Reply-To: line from the elmheaders file to be put in, but in some cases I do not. Could the developers of ELM make a change to the next release of ELM to append the headers out of the elmheaders file BEFORE you edit the text, and allow them to be editted and/or deleted either while editting the text or with the "edit headers" command?
syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) (04/29/91)
herman@corpane.uucp (Harry Herman) writes: >In <1991Apr25.150333.14057@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US> rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (Rob Bernardo) writes: >>The contents of the elmheaders file are merely appended to your headers. >>There is no processing to eliminate duplicates or whatever. That's >>how it works. >I have the same problem. I most cases I want the Reply-To: line from the >elmheaders file to be put in, but in some cases I do not. >Could the developers of ELM make a change to the next release of ELM to >append the headers out of the elmheaders file BEFORE you edit the text, >and allow them to be editted and/or deleted either while editting the >text or with the "edit headers" command? No, we cannot make such a change. The problem is in how Elm tells the MTA where the headers end and the message starts. Anything in the text buffer is part of the text of the message and not the headers. It would require a rewrite of how Elm handles the headers to change this which is why cries for editable headers and text have fallen on deaf ears. Its just not the way Elm was written and without a rewrite it won't happen. -- ===================================================================== Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP Elm Coordinator Datacomp Systems, Inc. Voice: (215) 947-9900 syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd FAX: (215) 938-0235
chip@osh3.OSHA.GOV (Chip Yamasaki) (04/29/91)
In <1991Apr28.221614.446@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes: >herman@corpane.uucp (Harry Herman) writes: >>Could the developers of ELM make a change to the next release of ELM to >>append the headers out of the elmheaders file BEFORE you edit the text, >>and allow them to be editted and/or deleted either while editting the >>text or with the "edit headers" command? >No, we cannot make such a change. The problem is in how Elm tells >the MTA where the headers end and the message starts. Anything in >the text buffer is part of the text of the message and not the headers. >It would require a rewrite of how Elm handles the headers to change this >which is why cries for editable headers and text have fallen on deaf >ears. Its just not the way Elm was written and without a rewrite it >won't happen. And I don't think it should. I wouldn't want beginning level users seing headers in the editing buffer. I think the way Elm works is just GREAT! What I would like to see instead is a powerful macro language to handle this kind of thing. With a nice macro language with user variables, program flow control, conditional expression, the ability to tap into the environment, and a few other goodies we could make Elm sing-and-dance. You could let users name macros, bind them to keys, and have named macros executed through hooks in the code like: pre-edit-format-macro run the edit buffer through this before the editor is called post-edit-format-macro run after the editor returns pre-mail-macro run directly before passing message to Unix/Xenix MTA program. And some controls like switches to split the body of a letter into pieces if it is larger than a given size, duplicate the header, append "Part X of X" to the Subject: header and mail in pieces. Any chance of any of this happening? -- -- Charles "Chip" Yamasaki chip@oshcomm.osha.gov
jdeitch@jadpc.cts.com (Jim Deitch) (04/30/91)
In article <1991Apr28.221614.446@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM writes: >herman@corpane.uucp (Harry Herman) writes: > >>In <1991Apr25.150333.14057@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US> rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (Rob Bernardo) writes: >>>The contents of the elmheaders file are merely appended to your headers. >>>There is no processing to eliminate duplicates or whatever. That's >>>how it works. >>I have the same problem. I most cases I want the Reply-To: line from the >>elmheaders file to be put in, but in some cases I do not. > >>Could the developers of ELM make a change to the next release of ELM to >>append the headers out of the elmheaders file BEFORE you edit the text, >>and allow them to be editted and/or deleted either while editting the >>text or with the "edit headers" command? >No, we cannot make such a change. The problem is in how Elm tells >the MTA where the headers end and the message starts. Anything in >the text buffer is part of the text of the message and not the headers. > >It would require a rewrite of how Elm handles the headers to change this >which is why cries for editable headers and text have fallen on deaf >ears. Its just not the way Elm was written and without a rewrite it >won't happen. Then how about letting us edit them in the user defined headers section? Jim -- ARPANET: jadpc!jdeitch@nosc.mil INTERNET: jdeitch@jadpc.cts.com UUCP: nosc!jadpc!jdeitch
pravin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (05/06/91)
I have a little question about the way elmheaders works. I get a blank line in my messages sent by elm between the mail headers and the header generated by elmheaders. Is this supposed to be so, and how can I suppress it. Because of the blank line, my header becomes part of the message. Also on elmheaders, while replying to a message, if I want to include the sender's name and time their message was sent/received, what do I put in the elmheaders file. I assume it can be done, as I have seen it in some other mail messages. Thanks! pravin
pmm@MIPS.com (Paul M. Moriarty) (05/08/91)
In article <1991Apr30.002530.12097@jadpc.cts.com> jdeitch@jadpc.cts.com (Jim Deitch) writes: >In article <1991Apr28.221614.446@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM writes: >>herman@corpane.uucp (Harry Herman) writes: >> >>>In <1991Apr25.150333.14057@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US> rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (Rob Bernardo) writes: >>>>The contents of the elmheaders file are merely appended to your headers. >>>>There is no processing to eliminate duplicates or whatever. That's >>>>how it works. >> >>>Could the developers of ELM make a change to the next release of ELM to >>>append the headers out of the elmheaders file BEFORE you edit the text, >>>and allow them to be editted and/or deleted either while editting the >>>text or with the "edit headers" command? >> >>It would require a rewrite of how Elm handles the headers to change this >>which is why cries for editable headers and text have fallen on deaf >>ears. Its just not the way Elm was written and without a rewrite it >>won't happen. > >Then how about letting us edit them in the user defined headers >section? > How about allowing "Expert Users" as defined in the options screen edit their headers but hide it from others? I think the User level stuff could be used much more often in this manner. -- Paul M. Moriarty pmm@mips.com {ames,decwrl}!mips!pmm Sr Systems Administrator MIPS Computer Systems, Inc +1 408 524 8444 "but not me baby, I'm too precious..."
jdeitch@jadpc.cts.com (Jim Deitch) (05/09/91)
In article <3192@spim.mips.COM> pmm@MIPS.com (Paul M. Moriarty) writes: >In article <1991Apr30.002530.12097@jadpc.cts.com> jdeitch@jadpc.cts.com (Jim Deitch) writes: >>In article <1991Apr28.221614.446@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM writes: >>>herman@corpane.uucp (Harry Herman) writes: >>> >>>>In <1991Apr25.150333.14057@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US> rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (Rob Bernardo) writes: >>>>>The contents of the elmheaders file are merely appended to your headers. >>>>>There is no processing to eliminate duplicates or whatever. That's >>>>>how it works. >>> >>>>Could the developers of ELM make a change to the next release of ELM to >>>>append the headers out of the elmheaders file BEFORE you edit the text, >>>>and allow them to be editted and/or deleted either while editting the >>>>text or with the "edit headers" command? >>> >>>It would require a rewrite of how Elm handles the headers to change this >>>which is why cries for editable headers and text have fallen on deaf >>>ears. Its just not the way Elm was written and without a rewrite it >>>won't happen. >> >>Then how about letting us edit them in the user defined headers >>section? >> > >How about allowing "Expert Users" as defined in the options screen edit >their headers but hide it from others? > >I think the User level stuff could be used much more often in this manner. > Paul, I think that Syd is right when he says that this stuff falls on deaf ears. I have posted about 4 or 5 notes on this and I haven't even had the courtesy of a note telling me to go s*** in my hat from him. I don't even know if he gets my posts. At least from yours I can see that other systems are seeing them. How about it Syd? Can you even give a common courtesy such as email or news article to someone that asks a question? Jim -- ARPANET: jadpc!jdeitch@nosc.mil INTERNET: jdeitch@jadpc.cts.com UUCP: nosc!jadpc!jdeitch
bill@unixland.uucp (Bill Heiser) (05/10/91)
In article <1991May08.222844.24335@jadpc.cts.com> jdeitch@jadpc.cts.com (Jim Deitch) writes: > How about it Syd? Can you even give a common courtesy such as email >or news article to someone that asks a question? > There's a lot more involved than just "common courtesy". It involves LOTS of time! I think if Syd spent enough time answering questions to keep up with the traffic in this group, he'd never have a chance to do any further development on his software! I think it is up to us, the Usenet community, to help each other out when necessary. -- bill@unixland.uucp The Think_Tank BBS & Public Access Unix ...!uunet!think!unixland!bill ..!{uunet,bloom-beacon,esegue}!world!unixland!bill 508-655-3848 (2400) 508-651-8723 (9600-HST) 508-651-8733 (9600-PEP-V32)
chip@osh3.OSHA.GOV (Chip Yamasaki) (05/11/91)
In <1991May9.225312.389@unixland.uucp> bill@unixland.uucp (Bill Heiser) writes: >In article <1991May08.222844.24335@jadpc.cts.com> jdeitch@jadpc.cts.com (Jim Deitch) writes: >> How about it Syd? Can you even give a common courtesy such as email >>or news article to someone that asks a question? >> >There's a lot more involved than just "common courtesy". It involves >LOTS of time! I think if Syd spent enough time answering questions to >keep up with the traffic in this group, he'd never have a chance to do any >further development on his software! >I think it is up to us, the Usenet community, to help each other out >when necessary. I don't think there should ever be a question about that here. If the guy is nice enough to maintain and distribute this program for free we have no right to demand responses or talk about common courtesy. It seems to me that with the ranking on the ShareWare programmers and this kind of attitude towards the FreeWare programmers there are an awfully large number of users who are plenty ungrateful and have no appreciation for what they are getting for free. -- -- Charles "Chip" Yamasaki chip@oshcomm.osha.gov