pozar@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Pozar) (03/22/88)
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Editor in Chief Dale Lovell
Editor Emeritus: Thom Henderson
Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings
Contributing Editors: Al Arango
FidoNews is published weekly by the International FidoNet
Association as its official newsletter. You are encouraged to
submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission
standards are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from
node 1:1/1.
Copyright 1988 by the International FidoNet Association. All
rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for
noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances,
please contact IFNA at (314) 576-4067. IFNA may also be contacted
at PO Box 41143, St. Louis, MO 63141.
The contents of the articles contained here are not our
responsibility, nor do we necessarily agree with them.
Everything here is subject to debate. We publish EVERYTHING
received.
Table of Contents
1. ARTICLES ................................................. 1
New Compact Disk Echo Created! ........................... 2
FidoCon '88 Registration ................................. 7
Net 322 forming in Massachusetts ......................... 14
Standards don't always help .............................. 15
USR announces FidoCon '88 special ........................ 17
2. COLUMNS .................................................. 18
The 10 Point Gothic Column ............................... 18
Let's YACK about Inter-net Links ......................... 20
3. FOR SALE ................................................. 22
286 Package And Software For Sale ........................ 22
4. NOTICES .................................................. 23
The Interrupt Stack ...................................... 23
John Blackett-Smith please reply ......................... 24
Latest Software Versions ................................. 24
5. COMMITTEE REPORTS ........................................ 25
AGREEMENT WITH DAK ON NODELIST SITUATION ................. 25
And more!
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ARTICLES
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David Hart
CareerPath BBS
(107/117) 212-696-9777
REVISED JOB POSTING CRITERIA
CareerPath BBS is now accepting Job postings (WITHOUT FEE
WHATSOEVER) on the following conditions:
1. It is a bona fide job opening.
2. That the employer complies with EEO fully!
3. That the posting is NOT blind and contains an address or
telephone for response and that the employer is clearly
identified.
4. That no intervention is required on the part of the Sysop
or Cary Hart Associates (the sponsor of CPBBS).
5. That the posting does not require a response on the BBS.
6. That the employer promptly remove the posting when the pos-
ition is filled or otherwise unavailable.
7. This policy applies only to openings in the DP, MIS,
technical areas. Any other postings will be promptly deleted.
This policy is a result of our decision NOT to handle most
DP searches. We are now informing our client base that they
may freeely post positions with these guidelines until further
notice.
Just for the record, we will NEVER contact any employer to
solicit an assignment from one of these postings. Again, this
change in policy is designed to provide an alternative to our
involvement in recruiting for these positions.
This MAY result in a substantial increase in job postings. If
this occurs, I will place another article in FidoNews in order
to solicit interest in a help wanted echo.
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FidoNews 5-12 Page 2 21 Mar 1988
Mark Bowman
Another BBS System?
1:148/208
New Compact Disk Echo Created
I'm very happy to announce that I have created a new
echo conference for users who have an interest in Compact Disks,
Players and Accesssories.
Since the CD industry has been very strong since it
began, I suspect this echo will probably become a very active
one. Everyday brings us new products and developments, so this
should give us a lot of possible topics to discuss!
On aspect I'm really going to try and promote are
reviews written by the users of this echo. Reviews of new (and
old) Compact Disks may come in very handy when it comes time to
slap down a few more bucks next time you are visiting your
favorite music store. I realize that a number of magazines
already have this type of feature, but it is not interactive and
is generally outdated by the time a reader gets his copy.
At the time this article was written, the Compact Disk
Echo was only a local echo. I've already completed the
preliminary steps involved in placing this echo in the National
and International areas, but whether this is sucessful or not
will depend on how well it picks up in the beginning.
If you are interested in having this echo on your system
please contact me directly though NetMail, at the node listed
at the top of this article. You'll need to add CD_ECHO to your
areas.bbs files(s). The echo will be available for polling
anytime except the NMH.
I hope you'll help move this echo to the big times...
Mark Bowman
Compact Disk Echo Moderator
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EuroConII
JUNE 25 & 26 TIEL HOLLAND
Sponsored by the Dutch Hobby Computer Club
Europes second FidoNet Conference
Registration and Information
Conference Adress:
Motel Tiel
Laan van Westroyen 10
4003 AZ TIEL
Holland
Fellow-Fidonians,
Well it very well appears that FidoConII is going to be a major
success. Reactions from all over Europe and the Usa show that
Sysops and Users from a lot of countries are going to attend. We
are currently in the process of organizing our agenda, so if you
have any suggestions about what should be discussed during this
conference, please contact us. We are all ears !!
A tentative agenda has been published in the major echo areas and
can be found at the beginning of the European Nodelist which has
been sent to all the European Coordinators through out Europe.
Don't miss this, it is your chance to meet those people you have
been talking to electronically.
Wynn Wagner WW3<tm> has again confirmed that he will attend the
meeting and chances are that IFNA's president Don Daniels will be
there too.
Registration & information.
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We have made available special voice and dataline for
registration and information :
DATA : Node 2:2/999 (+31-1820-22314) Special EuroConII node
VOICE: Hans Lichthelm (+31-1820-16697)
FidoNews 5-12 Page 4 21 Mar 1988
MAIL :
EuroConII 1988
Koekoekplein 13
2802 AD GOUDA
The Netherlands
How to register
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It is preferrable that you fill out the registration form below
and send it to the address show above under 'MAIL'. You will get
an acknowledgement by normal mail with directions on how to reach
the EurConII conference and how to pay the 25% confirmation fee
required to confirm your registration.
Note that the registration committee will take care of the Hotel
reservations too. No need to call the hotel.
Details
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Although EurConII starts Saturday JUNE, 25th at 9:00 we expect
most attendees to be there Friday evening the 24th. So we will be
having a welcome party sponsored by the HCC. If you come in on
Friday we will all be able to meet each other.
The Hotel has a gym and a swimming pool, so don't forget your
sportswear, having fun is part of this conference !!.
Feel free to choose whatever options you like from the list
presented on the registration form. If you indicate that you want
to share a room and are traveling alone, we will try to double
you up with someone. You will also be able to save Hfl 32.50 a
night by sharing a room. If you travel together with others
please submit your registration forms together so we can organize
the rooms in a convienient way.
Late registration
-----------------
Late registration is possible but will bring us some headaches.
As we are taking a financial risk here so we have to charge extra
for late registrations. Please do us both a favor and send your
registration forms to us in time.
LATE REGISTRATION FEE IS DUE WHEN YOU REGISTER AFTER APRIL 1TH
(NO JOKE...). If you want the best accomadations register before
March 23.
Hotel Prices
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The Conference center we have choosen is brand new with comfortable
rooms and at very moderate prices. Here are some indications :
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Coffee, tea .... Hfl 2,00
sherry etc .... Hfl 2,50
Beer, cola etc.. Hfl 2,00
Dutch genever .. Hfl 2,00
The Registration Form
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Please print it out, select your options and sign it. Then send
it to the address specified above. We will get in touch with you
to confirm your reservation.
If you travel with others, please send a registration form for
each member of the group and send them in together.
If at all possible, join us at the Saturday evening Official
Dinner. The Conference ends Sunday 18:00 hours so we can arrange
your lodgings until Monday if you wish. Please contact us for
special arrangements, like placing beds in the room for kids, a
longer stay etc.
There is no dinner planned on Sunday, if you stay you can eat a
la carte. Prices start at Hfl 19,--.
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EuroConII 1988 Registration Form
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Name :
Adress :
City :
Country :
Phone :
Fido node:
Friday JUNE 24th Room @ Hfl 65,-- yes/no Hfl ..,..
Saturday JUNE 25th Breakfast @ Hfl 8,-- yes/no Hfl .,..
Lunch @ Hfl 17,50 yes/no Hfl ..,..
Dinner @ Hfl 25,-- yes/no Hfl ..,..
Room @ Hfl 65,-- yes/no Hfl ..,..
Sunday JUNE 26th Breakfast @ Hfl 8,-- yes/no Hfl ..,..
Lunch @ Hfl 17,50 yes/no Hfl ..,..
Room @ Hfl 65,-- yes/no Hfl ..,..
Monday JUNE 27th Breakfast @ Hfl 8,-- yes/no Hfl ..,..
CONFERENCE FEE Hfl 25,--
LATE REGISTRATION (after April, 1th) @ Hfl 100,-- Hfl ...,--
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TOTAL ................................................. Hfl ...,..
I have agreed to share my room with ...................
(subtract Hfl 32,50 for every night) Hfl ...,..-
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AMOUNT DUE Hfl ...,..
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I am alone but I want you to try to arrange for a room mate
yes/no
I am male/female
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My room mate must be smoker/no smoker/don't care about smoking
Place :
Date :
Please Sign :
Hope to meet you there !!
EuroconII Registration Committee.
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FidoNews 5-12 Page 7 21 Mar 1988
FidoCon '88 in Cincinnati, Ohio
at The Drawbridge Inn
August 25-28, 1988
It's still pretty early and we're not quite finished planning all
the details of this year's event, but I can tell you that
FidoCon'88 will be the biggest and best FidoCon ever!
This year we've added an extra day to the conference, and plenty
of activities to make your visit both fun and educational.
There'll be lectures, Q&As, meetings, forums, and of course
plenty of all-night 'bull sessions' in the several hospitality
suites. You'll have a chance to finally get to meet, in person,
all the people you've chatted (or exchanged FLAMES) with.
All during the conference will be a TeleComputing Expo, where
major vendors of computers, modems, software, and other products
and services of interest to the FidoNet Community will tout their
wares.
We are also planning a full schedule of activities for spouses
and family members. On the slate are: trips to King Island Theme
Park, The Cincinnati Zoo, Riverboat rides, sight-seeing tours,
shopping trips, and many more fun things to do. This year you
can make FidoCon a family vacation.
As always, it is up to you to make your own hotel and travel
arrangements. This year we're making it a bit easier; we have
made special arrangements with Delta Airlines, Alamo Car Rental,
and of course the Drawbridge Inn for special FidoCon'88
discounts.
Delta Airlines, as an official sponsor of FidoCon'88, is offering
discounts of 40% to 70% off their normal coach fares to and from
the conference. Alamo Car Rental is also offering special
FidoCon'88 rates. Details will be sent to you in your
registration packet and have been posted in FidoNews.
Our host this year, the Drawbridge Inn, is offering special room
rates, in addition to free transportation to and from the Greater
Cincinnati International Airport. The following guest room rates
have been guaranteed for our conference:
Building Single Double
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Main building $49.00 $59.00
Garrison Bldg. $37.00 $47.00
Citadel Tower $56.00 $66.00
Citadel V.I.P. $80.00 $80.00
Suites $95-195
Additional person $10.00 ea.
Children under 18 free when staying in
room with parents.
FidoNews 5-12 Page 8 21 Mar 1988
A mail-in room registration card will be in your registration
packet, or you may call the Drawbridge direct at (606) 341-2800.
Just mention that you are with FidoCon'88.
If you wish to share a room with someone, just indicate so below,
and tell us if you prefer non-smoking, and we'll do our best to
pair you up with someone.
As I said earlier, FidoCon'88 is still a ways off, and our group,
The Greater Cincinnati Sysop Association is working hard to
finalize all the details. Although the final schedules are still
being put together, we decided to begin accepting early
registration. Below are the prices that stand today:
o The conference registration fee will once again be $60 per
attendee. After July 31st the price goes up to $75 and you
must register at the door.
o There will be lunches Thu - Sat, Thu dinner, Fri banquet, and
a Sun brunch for IFNA members attending the BoD meeting. No
planned meal exceeds $25 per plate.
o Family activities are still being co-ordinated. You will
receive further information in your registration packet.
o There will be all sorts of goodies: T-shirts, buttons, hats,
and the like. Stay tuned for details.
o Several vendors and groups are sponsoring hospitality
suites. These are open to all registered attendees
As a bonus to you, the early registrant, your name is
automatically being entered into a special drawing. The drawing
will be made from all registrations, confirmed by July 1, 1988,
and will be for a round trip ticket on Delta to anywhere in the
continental US. Ticket courtesy Delta Airlines.
A second drawing will be for a new US Robotics Courier HST with
MNP level 5, courtesy USR. This drawing will be held during the
Friday banquet. All active IFNA members are eligible for this
drawing. If you are not currently an IFNA member or have not
renewed your membership, now is the time to do it. Cutoff date
is noon Friday August 26th. so be sure your membership is
confirmed by that date.
As an additional bonus, the first 50 confirmed registrants for
FidoCon '88 will receive a coupon good for $50 off a USR HST
modem (and that can be used along with the USR sysop offer for
even more savings).
More exciting prizes to be given away will be announced in the
coming weeks.
Payment must be in by the above dates to be eligible for the
drawings. Don't worry if you don't have all your info at this
time; you will be mailed a registration packet that will contain
FidoNews 5-12 Page 9 21 Mar 1988
additional information and the special discount offers. It will
also tell you how to update your registration should you decide
to.
FidoCon '88 - Cincinnati, Ohio
At The Drawbridge Inn and Convention Center
August 25-28, 1988
Attendee Registration Form
Name: ____________________________________________________
Address: ____________________________________________________
Address: ____________________________________________________
City: _______________________ State: ____ Zip: ___________
Country: ____________________________________________________
Phone Numbers:
Day: ____________________________________________________
Evening: ____________________________________________________
Data: ____________________________________________________
Zone:Net/
Node.Point: _______________________________________________
Your BBS Name: _______________________________________________
BBS Software: _____________________ Mailer: _________________
Modem Brand: _____________________ Speed: _________________
What Hotel will you be Staying at: ____________________________
Do you want to share a room? ______
Are you a non-smoker? ______
Do you want an in room point? ______
(Tower rooms at Drawbridge only)
Do you need special accommodations? ______
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(If so, please explain) ____________________________
____________________________
Are you a non-Sysop? ______
Are you an IFNA Member? ______
If so, will you be attending the
Sunday IFNA brunch/BoD meeting? ______
Additional Guests: ______
(not attending conferences)
Comments: ____________________________________________________
____________________________________________________
____________________________________________________
Costs How Many? Cost
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Conference fee $60..................... ________ _______
($75.00 after 7/31)
Thursday Lunch $10.95 .............. ________ _______
Thursday Dinner $18.95 .............. ________ _______
Friday Lunch $10.95 .............. ________ _______
Friday Banquet $24.95 .............. ________ _______
Saturday Lunch $10.95 .............. ________ _______
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Totals ................................ ________ _______
You may pay by Check, Money Order or Visa/MC
Please send no cash. All monies must be in U.S. Funds.
Checks should be made out to: "FidoCon '88"
This form should be completed and mailed to:
FidoCon '88 Registration
P.O. Box 9294
Cincinnati, OH 45209
FidoNews 5-12 Page 11 21 Mar 1988
If you pay by Credit Card you may also register by Netmailing
this completed form to 108/62 or 1/88 for processing. Please
complete the information below and be sure to include a voice
phone number above so that we can contact you for Credit Card
verification. Rename this file ZNNNXXXX.REG where Z is your Zone
number, N is your Net number, and X is your Node number.
[ ] Visa [ ] MasterCard
Name as it appears
on credit card: ___________________________________________
Credit Card Number: ___________________________________________
Expiration Date: ___________________________________________
Signature: ___________________________________________
(If you mail in registration)
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* Disincorporate IFNA!
We're not going to take it anymore!
IFNA claims a mandate. It had an election once. IFNA now
rules based on its membership. IFNA has been working for years
and its Board of Directors has been in place for some time now
and IFNA is fully operational and functional.
I now propose to all FidoNet Sysops that IFNA's claim on the
FidoNet is null and void. It does not represent or deserve to
have any effect on the FidoNet. If IFNA can claim its existence
on the basis of its membership I can challenge this membership
and IFNA's claim "to" the FidoNet.
I say that if more people call for IFNA's disincorporation
then there are IFNA members then IFNA must, as any honorable
human being would, vote to disband itself and let the various
Coordinators that make up the FidoNet rule as they did before
IFNA made its claim.
I am hereby starting an echo called DISINC. This echo is
dedicated to the disincorporation of IFNA. I am also
circulating this following message which I urge all FidoNet
Sysops to spread Far and Wide. This message or words calling
for the DisIncorporation of the International FidoNet
Association should be sent to node 1:132/555 into AREA:DISINC.
A petition will then be drawn up from all FidoNet System
Operators calling for IFNA's disincorporation. If the numbers
calling for IFNA to disincorporate exceed IFNA's membership IFNA
will have no choice but to disincorporate. I hereby challenge
the IFNA BoD to do what the FidoNet wants done - To do the WILL
of the FidoNet - no matter what the outcome!
--- A Resolution --- Cut here ---
AREA:DISINC
The corporation of the International FidoNet Association <tm>
has claimed to represent the FidoNet and it has been trying to
function in this capacity for some time now. We've gone through
IFNA's birth, its growing pains and have struggled to make it
grow. Now after it has been in power and has shown us what type
of organization IFNA is, we, the Sysops of the FidoNet call on
the IFNA Board of Directors to disband and disincorporate the
International FidoNet Association.
Signed,
<Name>, <Net/Node>
--- Cut here ---
Let the sysops of the FidoNet decide IFNA's fate.
.
Randy Edwards, Sysop FidoNet node 1:132/555
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Resolution 242 of the FidoNet
I hereby resolve that the International FidoNet Association
(IFNA) has no right to exist. IFNA has no right to claim to
represent the FidoNet. IFNA's claim of owning the FidoNet
Nodelist and FidoNews newsletter is null and void.
IFNA has no right to exist.
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If you're willing to join in this resolution please do so.
Mail a copy of it to your local BoD rep and every IFNA Board
of Director member that you can find.
It is time for the FidoNet to throw off the yoke of IFNA!
THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND - either support IFNA by sending in
your $25 to IFNA or resolve to rid the FidoNet of this dangerous
menace!
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A New Net in Massachusetts
by David Kaufman (1:321/147)
Starting with NODELIST.077 (barring some unforeseen occurence) a
new net, Net 322, will form in Massachusetts. The new net will
be comprised of nodes from both of the existing nets (Net 321 and
Net 101). If you do echomail or have regular correspondence with
any Massachusetts node, make sure you know which net that node
will be in. Here's a list of those which will be moving:
Net 322 (the new MassNet East)
Old # New # | Old # New # | Old # New #
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101/140 322/710 | 101/129 322/890 | 101/117 322/117
101/168 322/110 | 101/172 322/130 | 101/139 322/180
101/113 322/188 | 101/433 322/210 | 101/448 322/220
101/162 322/230 | 101/188 322/240 | 101/166 322/310
101/14 322/14 | 101/182 322/335 | 101/184 322/339
101/132 322/340 | 101/146 322/360 | 101/186 322/380
321/147 322/422 | 321/148 322/410 | 321/401 322/470
101/27 322/27 | 101/885 322/530 | 101/124 322/559
101/156 322/555 | 101/174 322/557 | 101/125 322/560
101/126 322/561 | 101/164 322/566 | 101/366 322/590
101/152 322/940 | 101/105 322/960 |
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Vince Perriello, FIDONET 1:141/491
Bit-Brain Software, <no-Inc>
Standards don't always help
FidoNet<tm>, and for that matter, all of the other nets that are
using FidoNet<tm> technology for communications, is a superb
technical statement. Here is an entire grassroots network
pieced together using standard hardware and communications gear,
with no extreme technical requirements placed on any one user of
the network. How did it get that way? We didn't get here
through imposing a rigorous standard on network development. We
got here through a "living laboratory" methodology, and by
accepting that as a hobbyist network we won't necessarily get
the mail through on the first try, though always striving for
that level of excellence.
One of the people who has benefitted most through this approach
now believes that the time has come to get rigorous. To only
implement to published standards. To not "make a big deal of
any random group that meets at a wide spot in the road". Pardon
me while I cough my lungs up into my handkerchief.
Okay, I'm back. Now, why do I disagree with this point of view?
As a netmail author and a member of the FidoNet Technical
Standards Committee I should be cheering this, right? Wrong.
We still have work to do. To limit what we can do in the
network to published specifications would be very wrong at this
point. We still need to properly implement direct interzone
mail. To add other protocols to our abilities, particularly
such things as the Janus protocol and the X.25 code that is
apparently working out so well in Europe, neither of which would
have happened if we only allowed our mail transfers to take
place using protocols documented by the FTSC. Why did I cough
(an impolite thing to do while someone else is talking)? Well,
to my knowledge there is no FTSC document describing SEAlink
protocol, SEAlink Overdrive, passwords in packet headers,
procedural guidelines for password mismatching, the so-called
"BARK" method of requesting files from a remote system, or even
the addressing method used by the author of the previous article
(the address was in the form "net1/node1-net2/node2" where
apparently you need to send mail for net2/node2 to net1/node1
but who can tell without a document?).
I trust that by now you get a glimmer of what I am talking
about. It's really quite simple. We're all technical people
here. But not the type who likes to write tons of
specifications before coding. We're the type that likes to
write tons of code before touching a specification. That
includes Thom Henderson. It includes Tom Jennings. It includes
me. Bob Hartman. Wynn Wagner. Many others. Wynn has written
a lot of specs but I suspect he only does it because we don't
(that's a joke, Wynn, really!). That poses a problem. How do
you wind up with code that actually can COMMUNICATE?
FidoNews 5-12 Page 16 21 Mar 1988
That is the role that I see for the FTSC. Its job is to
document and maintain BASELINE specifications, and to monitor
enhancements, bringing specs for those enhancements into its
"library" as they mature sufficiently to merit inclusion. To
devise reasonable tools to allow enhancements to be tested on
the network without causing the kind of disruptions that
occurred at least once in recent history (about a year ago) when
1/0 was running a mail product using an "experimental" protocol
that wasn't quite right yet. We expect to devise these tools
using a session level negotiation based on Wynn Wagner's
"YooHoo" design, which is in many respects similar to the
session negotiation used by the X.25 and SNA protocols.
There were two points raised in Thom's article that I need to
address directly: that of Echomail processing and of FOSSIL
specs. Thom suggests that we are at the mercy of anyone who
decides to write an echomail munger that doesn't conform with
current conventions. Well, WITH trust, conventions should be
sufficient until a spec can be written. WITHOUT trust, it
doesn't matter whether there is a formal spec or not. The
problem of what happens when a new, incompatible echomail
processor is introduced to the network will no doubt be the
subject of a future social experiment by someone who enjoys
doing that sort of thing.
As for FOSSIL, there is a specification. It is published by a
committee that has had essentially the same membership for
longer than IFNA has had its corporation papers. Omissions and
changes are discussed in a PUBLIC Echomail conference. All
authors of FOSSIL software have always been welcome in this
conference, even before it was open to the public. Those who
choose out should keep in mind that it is only through their own
stubbornness or arrogance that they are not involved.
FidoNet technology is not mature. The basic mail protocol used
by Fido 11w is mature. SEAlink is into puberty. Use of JANUS
and X.25 is still in diapers here. FTSC's job is to create an
environment where such experimentation can still happen while
not threatening the operation of the network. Echomail will be
documented by the FTSC when we get to it. There are only so
many of us. If only those who call for specs were better at
writing them. We can always use cooperative volunteers.
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FidoNews 5-12 Page 17 21 Mar 1988
--+-- FIDOCON '88 NEWS FLASH --+--
Skokie - US Robotics today announced a special FidoCon '88
incentive price on their 9600 baud HST modem.
"We are very excited about this year's FidoNet conference", US
Robotics spokesperson Chandra Portman said, "That is why we are
making available special discount pricing to the first 50 people
to register for this year's conference in Cincinnati."
The first 50 people to register for FidoCon '88 will receive a
coupon from US Robotics worth $50 off the already low $495 SYSOP
special price.
As an additional incentive, USR is donating an HST to be given
away at the conference. To enter the drawing, all you have to do
is register for FidoCon '88 before the early registration
deadline of July 1st.
Registration for this year's conference will open up March 15th.
For more information about this year's conference, contact Tim
Sullivan at 1:108/62 or call the FidoCon '88 registration node
1:1/88.
Watch for more FidoCon '88 news in upcoming issues of Fidonews.
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FidoNews 5-12 Page 18 21 Mar 1988
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COLUMNS
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The 10 Point Gothic Column
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The Hermit's Point of View
Greg Glynn - The Airlock Hermit
From 3:712/502 - Home of the Brave
How easy it is to view the "goings on" of the net from the
comfort of my little hovel, safe from the singeing flames of the
Sysops Conferences, and the gathering hordes of IFNA opponents,
IFNA supporters, Alternet Hodads, and everyone who simply doesn't
give a damn.
How easy too the life of the FidoNet peasant, such as I. Away
from the far flung battle fields of the Fidonet Flames. So what
can one learn from the backblocks? Australia is about as far
away from St Louis as you're about to get! I've been involved
with this whole Fido thing for a year now, and I'm no less
fascinated by it now than when I first discovered that 8 data
bits and one stop bit was the combination that changed horrible
garbage on my screen to a veritable Picasso of online
information, but enough of my exordium.
`ever being one to expatiate, I present for your edification and
mental stimulation extracts from:
The FidoNet Buzzword Dictionary
-------------------------------
(as edited by the Airlock Hermit)
AlterNet - An enigma. A breath of fresh air to "burn-outs", but
to others: a four letter word.
Baud - I was told that this has something to do with file
transfers. So I tried a 356,792 byte file transfer at 300 BPS
and they were right! I got baud. Very Baud.
EchoMail - A bit like PolyFilla. Where Polyfilla will fill all
the cracks and empty spots in your walls, EchoMail will fill all
the empty spots on your disk. A 40 Meg drive becomes a 0 meg
drive. A Wonderful creation is EchoMail.
Flame - The stuff that comes out of your 40 Meg disk with too
much EchoMail on it.
Opus - Opus is FidoNet software which really carries the
"Brotherhood" ideal to its limit. The fact that all OPUS systems
running 1.03a crashed simultaneously is witness to this.
Net - A nodular collection of Bulletin Boards.
Node - An individual point in a nodular collection of Bulletin
Boards.
FidoNews 5-12 Page 19 21 Mar 1988
Point - A private node on an individual point on a nodular
collection of Bulletin boards.
Sysop - Someone who understands the above.
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YACK
Yet Another Complicated Komment
by Steven K. Hoskin
( STEVE HOSKIN at 1:128/11 )
Episode 4: Inter-Net Links
Yes, I know, you are probably getting tired of hearing all
these different ideas about how to link with other Networks,
especially when I constantly bring up that old FidoNet sore spot,
AlterNet.
But I will continue to harp on my feelings that
communication is the name of the game, and I will probably never
stop harping on that until everybody can communicate with
everybody else in just about any way they please. Yes, I'm a
dreamer, but a guy can dream can't he?
Okay, Aaron Priven commented in FidoNews 5-07 (latest
FidoNews at the time of this writing) about different techniques
to use the gateways to get to other Networks. I appreciate the
obvious technical knowledge that went into that article, almost
as much as I appreciated his previous article on NaughtNet for
its humorous content.
Unfortunately, without a lot of concentration, I was not
able to keep his train of thought in line. The techniques he
suggested seemed to be awfully complicated, and this might have
been due to my own lack of knowledge of how the current FidoNet
operates. In any case, his article spawned an idea (I'm prone to
these things, you see).
Here's yet another idea for the gateway technique, assuming
that the non-gateway technique is administratively infeasible.
Why not have ONE zone specifically set up for ALL gateways to ALL
other Networks? Let's say, for sake of argument, that this idea
was implemented, and Zone 9 was selected for the gateways. Now
we have each external (to FidoNet) Network apply for a Net/Node
number inside Zone 9.
UseNet becomes 9:1; 9:1/0 becomes the hub or host for the
UseNet gateway. AlterNet becomes 9:2; the hub for the AlterNet
gateway becomes node 9:2/0. ARPANet becomes net 3 in Zone 9,
and the list just grows from there.
Contacting a user at a known gateway is simple: send
network mail to that Node directly with 9:x/xxx. Contacting a
user whose location is only known as "Somewhere in such-and-such
net" could be reached via 9:x/0.
Now there's a fairly unlimited number of other Networks we
could communicate with, as there is a fairly unlimited number of
Nets allowed in any given Zone.
FidoNews 5-12 Page 21 21 Mar 1988
There's also a fairly unlimited number of gateways
available within that Network, as there are a fairly unlimited
number of possible Nodes within one FidoNet Net.
And somebody who isn't sure just how to contact somebody
via FidoNet who is actually in another Network could send a mail
message to the Host for that FidoNet collection of gateways,
with the proper OtherNet address as the first line in the
message to that host node.
It seems to me that there wouldn't be any problems in
implementing this plan, either administratively or technically,
I welcome your responses via Network Mail; you can reach me as
STEVE HOSKIN at 1:128/11.
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FOR SALE
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From Gene Coppola 107/246
I have the following package for immediate sale:
1) 8 Mhz 286 Computer With Following Options Installed:
a) 1 40 Mb Seagate St-251 Disk Drive installed.
b) 2 360k Floppy Drives Installed.
c) 1 Megabyte Of Ram Installed On Motherboard.
d) 1 Ega Display Card. Automatic Mode Switching.
e) 1 Intel Above Board With 1024k Installed.
f) 1 Floppy Disk Controller.
g) 1 Western Digital Hard Drive Controller.
h) 1 Multi-Function (Printer, Serial, Clock) Card.
i) 1 Serial Card.
j) Copy 2 PC Copy Board.
2) 1 Quadchrome Enhanced Display Monitor.
3) 1 Leading Edge Monochrome Monitor.
4) 1 10 Mb T-33E External Tape Drive With Cable.
5) 1 2400 Baud 100% Hayes Compatible Modem.
6) 1 Panasonic KX-P1092i Printer With Cable.
This package comes complete with the software I
have listed below plus more not listed:
Lotus, Dbase, Smalltalk V, Turbo C, Quick Basic 4.0,
Turbo Prolog, Turbo Basic, CrossTalk, Mace Utilities,
Clipper, Desqview, Software Carousel, Certificate Maker,
SEAdog (2 Registered Copies), Double Dos, Fastback,
Nota Bene, PFS Professional Write, Disk Optimizer,
Norton Utilities Advanced, Wordstar, Prodesign,
Pc Technician, Print Shop, Microsoft Windows, Paradox,
Superkey, Pc Tools, Norton Commander, Cubit, Turbo
Pascal, SnapShot, Ms-Dos 3.2, Pc-Dos 3.3 and more.
Everything is in working order, and the motherboard is
covered by a 24 month warranty with 19 months remaining.
If you would like to make an offer on the package then
please send a Net-Mail message to Gene Coppola on 107/246.
Only serious people need to respond to this offer.
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NOTICES
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The Interrupt Stack
16 May 1988
Digital Equipment Corporations Users Society Spring Symposium.
Will be held May 16-May 20 in Cincinnati, OH.
16 Jul 1988
A new areacode, 508, will form in eastern Massachusetts and
will be effective on this date. The new area code will be
formed from the current areacode 617. Greater Boston will
remain areacode 617 while the rest of eastern Massachusetts
will form the new areacode 508.
25 Aug 1988
Start of the Fifth International FidoNet Conference, to be
held at the Drawbridge Inn in Cincinnati, OH. Contact Tim
Sullivan at 108/62 for more information. This is FidoNet's big
annual get-together, and is your chance to meet all the people
you've been talking with all this time. We're hoping to see
you there!
24 Aug 1989
Voyager 2 passes Neptune.
If you have something which you would like to see on this
calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.
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Cincinnati, Ohio 45211
USA
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COMMITTEE REPORTS
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Don Daniels, President
International FidoNet Association
1:107/210
AGREEMENT WITH DAK ON NODELIST SITUATION
IFNA is pleased to report that it is now in receipt of Drew
Kaplan's signature on a Letter of Understanding between DAK
and IFNA. We are returning his copy with our approval in
today's mail and expect that this will be the official beginning
of a mutually beneficial relationship. The following is a brief
explanation of the history of the situation and of the agreements
reached, along with a letter of apology that was received from
Mr. Kaplan himself.
As most of you are aware, DAK hit upon the idea that it would be
a nice service to provide its customer base with an explanation
of just about everything you need to know to get into BBSing. A
document was published a couple of months ago to accomplish this
that also included printed portions of one of our Nodelists from
late last year. DAK interpreted our copyright notice in the
Nodelist as saying that they could distribute the Nodelist
providing they made no profit on it, although they could recover
"reasonable costs of reproduction and distribution."
Accordingly, they set up a separate operation to handle this item
and guaranteed that any revenues received above their costs would
be donated to the American Cancer Society.
When word first got out there was a bit of a furor raised within
the Net because no one here knew who had agreed to what with
whom. DAK learned of the expressions of these concerns and
contacted IFNA in an effort to forestall any possible problems.
When IFNA first heard of the matter, it was quite upset because,
although there were obvious benefits for many to be seen from
DAK's actions, we felt that our rights had not been properly
respected. We first responded to Mr. Kaplan in this light but
two significant factors caused us to seek an amicable resolution:
o The first was the obvious interest and respect which Mr.
Kaplan had of FidoNet, its Sysops, and what they were doing
for the public, along with his expression of complete
willingness to do what would be considered right in the
future. (Those of us who spoke directly with him on the
phone were very impressed with his involvement and sincere
desire to be of service -- he personally responded to all
our communications).
o The second was our own thoughts as to what we really wished
to achieve from this matter. To that end we asked ourselves
the question, "What would we have wanted or done had DAK
approached us directly in the first place?"
FidoNews 5-12 Page 26 21 Mar 1988
This positive, non-adversarial approach by both parties, although
it has taken some time to complete due to busy schedules on both
sides, has proven to be the right one as we feel that there is
now a personal relationship that extends beyond the written
agreement that will be beneficial, not only for both sides, but
for the general public as well.
The agreement reached includes, among some other considerations,
the following points:
o IFNA will provide a license to DAK to distribute printed
copies of a subset of the IFNA Nodelist. For each issue,
IFNA will remove from its current version, all systems
marked as mail-only or private. In addition, IFNA will also
remove any node which makes a formal request to IFNA in
writing (at P.O. Box 41143, St. Louis, MO 63141) that it
does not desire to be included in such publication.
o DAK will change the format of its MODEM USER'S GUIDE to more
readily accept revisions of the IFNA Nodelist to ensure that
they are not providing obsolete material. These new
editions will provide appropriate credits to IFNA and to Tom
Jennings, developer of FidoNet.
o DAK will provide credits to FidoNet and IFNA in any future
catalogs that reference the MODEM USER'S GUIDE. This will
provide extensive free publicity to FidoNet as these
catalogs reach over 10 million readers.
o DAK not only welcomes, but encourages IFNA's participation
in the technical editing of its MODEM USER'S GUIDE as they
are truly interested in promoting this type of activity and
wish their material to be as accurate as possible.
o DAK will provide printed copies of their MODEM USER'S GUIDE
to IFNA free of charge and allow us to distribute them to
our users. This will help IFNA in response to the many
inquiries we receive through the mail and IFNA phone line.
o DAK has indicated a willingness to provide its MODEM USER'S
GUIDE to us in soft-copy form, so that it may also be made
available to first-time callers of our systems.
o DAK will continue its practice of providing revenues beyond
its publication costs to the American Cancer Society.
A word about this last point: the Cancer Society is very
appreciative, not only of the $20,000 that has been raised for
its research so far, but for the innovative approach that has
been utilized here. We're proud to be a part of it.
As indicated above, there are several other considerations that
we expect to share with DAK in the future. Among offers of
certain types of resources, DAK has also expressed interest
in being a supporting vendor at FidoCon '88. We look forward,
not only to their support, but to their continued involvement in
FidoNews 5-12 Page 27 21 Mar 1988
FidoNet's outreach to the general public.
Mr. Kaplan's letter follows.
Mr. Don Daniels
President
International FidoNet Association
3 Apex Road
Melville, NY 11747
Dear Mr. Daniels:
As many of your members may know, DAK Industries, Inc.
publishes the "DAK" catalog and is a mail-order retailer of
consumer electronics, including computer, software, and
peripheral hardware such as modems, printers and digitizers.
As the President of DAK, I have both a professional and
personal interest in selecting the best products for my
customers and in providing them the highest possible level of
support and training in the use of the products they purchase.
DAK has sold over 50,000 modems over the last 3 years, but I
always wondered why the sales weren't higher -- particulary since
over 60% of our customers are computer users. Our market
research showed that many computer users -- even so-called "power
users" -- are intimidated by telecommunications. To overcome
what I've started to think of as "modem shyness" I wanted to
provide our customers with an introduction to using modems; I
also wanted to give them an example of the exciting things you
can do with a modem to give them an incentive to "take the
plunge" and sign on for the first time.
DAK obtained the FIDO nodelist from a Sysop of a Fido board. We
obtained his permission to publish the list, and we published it
in exactly the form it was given to us. The license on the
nodelist permits recovery of reproduction costs, which, as you
know are substantial; so we charged a nominal fee to provide the
nodelist to customers who requested it. Moreover, since DAK had
no interest in making a profit on the publication of the list or
in the distribution of the manual on modem use in the event that
our actual costs turned out to be less than we estimated, we
decided to donate any proceeds above the actual cost of
publishing and distributing the nodelist and the manual to the
American Cancer Society.
Thousands of customers to date have requested and received the
nodelist, so we thought our modem campaign was a huge success --
until we heard from IFNA that it had received complaints from
some member board's about DAK's publications of the nodelist.
After extensive conversations with Don Daniels and Bob Hartman, I
think we've come to a very happy understanding that lets DAK
support IFNA and its members by giving IFNA and FidoNet free
publicity to the over 10,000,000 customers who receive DAK's
catalog and by providing free reproduction and mailing of the
nodelist in a form approved by IFNA to the DAK customers who
FidoNews 5-12 Page 28 21 Mar 1988
request it.
As to the past publication, I apologize for any inadvertant
errors -- we dealt with a Sysop, thought we had permission and
published the list from a screen dump obtained from a registered
FIDO board. Don't misunderstand me...our intention from the
beginning has always been to inform our customers in the most
positive way about the fabulous resources of the FidoNet. Had I
known about IFNA and most especially about the wealth of
expertise available there, I would most certainly have "started
at the top" and obtained permission to publish the nodelist
directly from IFNA.
I am delighted to have the input on the nodelist, IFNA, FidoNet
and DAK's modem manual that I have received from IFNA. You can
be assured that in the future, any publication of the nodelist or
mention of Fido, FidoNet and IFNA will be in a form that has been
reviewed and approved by your fine organization. And, I am more
than happy to continue to support all member boards who so desire
by reproducing and mailing at no cost to IFNA or its members, and
at no profit to DAK.
I look forward in the future to happy and cooperative dealings
with IFNA and its member boards so that DAK customers can be
introduced to the tremendous resources FidoNet offers and IFNA
and its members can have access to the millions of potential new
members that DAK's customers list represents.
Best regards,
(signed by)
Drew Kaplan
President
DAK IDUSTRIES, INC.
DAK/dk
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FidoNews 5-12 Page 29 21 Mar 1988
Don Daniels, President
International FidoNet Association
FidoNet 1:107/210
IFNA President's Report - March 12, 1988
To start off with, I must apologize to you all for some of the
lack of information recently. There are several reasons for
this. First of all, so much has been happening that there has
not been enough time left over to get mobilized on providing you
with results of some of the things we have accomplished or
updates on work in progress. Please remember that this is in no
way attributable to any attempts at "secrecy" on our part. To
the contrary, it has been my policy and that of other board
members to respond to all communications addressed to us, to
ensure that we are responsive to your viewpoints.
To quite some extent, however, this policy has added to our
inefficiencies as certain individuals have been pulling our
chains just to see us jump, I guess. This has really distracted
all concerned from the business at hand with the end product that
FidoNet is not being as well served as it should be. As a
result, I must sadly say that it has become necessary to change
that policy to a small degree -- in the future we will continue
to respond to all communications that obviously have been sent
with a conscientious desire to accrue to the benefit of FidoNet.
Criticism, as long as it is basically of a constructive nature,
is, of course, still encouraged. However, material that has
obviously been entered in a destructive vein will have to be
ignored or returned to the sender with a request for revision.
My node number is published at the top of this article and
appears in the Nodelist (except this past week due to a technical
problem here in Region 13). We are participating in the IFNA
EchoCon and, if you were to look, you would also discover that I
maintain a listed voice line. I've taken this position this year
because I wish to serve FidoNet -- and as FidoNet is made up of
sysops like you, it follows that we are here to serve you. If
you have a problem with what we are doing or not doing and
sincerely wish to make it right, please feel free to contact us.
My admonition from FidoCon still holds true: Don't tell us what
we're doing wrong, tell us how to do it right! For one, I
promise that I will listen and do whatever I can to accommodate
your wishes for FidoNet's future.
Now, on to business! There are quite a few things that we are
really excited about. First of all is FidoCon '88. The BoD
received quite a report from the organizing committee of the
Greater Cincinnati Sysop's Association. We were all very
impressed with the scope of what they have planned, their
enthusiasm and preparation, and the prospects for a great
conference. More word on the many specifics they have planned
will come directly from them in the weeks ahead. I can tell you,
though, they have some nice surprises in store for you.
FidoNews 5-12 Page 30 21 Mar 1988
We have already received some very positive feedback from IFNA's
Statement of Position that was created and passed by the Board of
Directors and published in last week's FidoNews (#510). If you
missed it, I suggest that you go back and read it because it
makes it quite clear that what IFNA considers to be its position
relative to FidoNet does not coincide with what has been
attributed to IFNA by its detractors.
There is a spirit of cooperation and accomodation that runs
through that statement and it has already been manifested in
several ways. Not only was the board meeting itself a fine
example but a couple of initiatives promise to extend this in the
weeks ahead. An EchoMail Policy Committee is being formed - not
unilaterally by IFNA - but JOINTLY with the EchoMail Backbone and
the Regional Coordinators. It is expected that they will provide
equal representation to a combined committee that will hammer out
policies that all sides can whole-heartedly accept. You should
be able to hear progress reports on this activity in the weeks
ahead. A similar joint project has also been initiated with the
Regional Coordinators to work on possible revisions to POLICY3.
We expect that whatever comes out of these committees will
demonstrate that all parties are actively joining toward the
common good of FidoNet and that FidoNet is indeed "one" --
a composite entity with proper delineation between its parts.
There has been one item about which we on the Board have remained
PUBLICALLY silent and that is the concern with DAK and the
Nodelist. We have, however, indicated in various forums that
negotiations were proceeding, but as certain legal issues were at
stake, we were advised to wait until a full agreement had been
worked out. I'm pleased to say that we feel this approach has
been very fruitful and that we now expect finalization of our
agreements early this week. Barring any unforseen difficulties,
we should be providing a full report here next Monday.
As can be seen from the above (and a bunch of somewhat lesser
concerns I haven't mentioned now but which you should soon hear
about), quite a few things are going on and progress is indeed
being made. Yes, it is a slow process because whatever we
undertake, as volunteers, has to compete for our time with
family, friends, jobs, and the other important factors in life.
Please try to bear that in mind if we seem a little unresponsive
at times. And remember, if you have a real problem that you wish
to work out, do contact us. We are here because we wish to be of
service to FidoNet.
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Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that
pays a specified annual membership fee. IFNA serves the
international FidoNet-compatible electronic mail community to
increase worldwide communications.
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Address _________________________________________________________
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c/o Leonard Mednick, MBA, CPA
700 Bishop Street, #1014
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813-4112
USA
Thank you for your membership! Your participation will help to
insure the future of FidoNet.
Please NOTE that IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization
and Articles of Association and By-Laws were adopted by the
membership in January 1987. The first elected Board of Directors
was filled in August 1987. The IFNA Echomail Conference has been
established on FidoNet to assist the Board. We welcome your
input to this Conference.
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The IFNA publications can be obtained by downloading from Fido
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them directly from IFNA. We ask that all our IFNA Committee
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publication, but we can make no written guarantees.
Hardcopy prices as of October 1, 1986
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