[comp.org.fidonet] FidoNET Newsletter, Volume 5, # 32

pozar@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Pozar) (08/08/88)

     Volume 5, Number 32                                 8 August 1988
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     Editor in Chief                                       Dale Lovell
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     Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                       Tom Jennings
     Contributing Editors:                                   Al Arango
     
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     received.



                             Table of Contents

     1. ARTICLES  .................................................  1
        IFNA Should Adopt an Advocacy Mission  ....................  1
        The Week of 10-16 July 88!  ...............................  3
        The Week of 24-29 July 88!  ...............................  4
        TBBS User Group Symposium  ................................  5
     2. COLUMNS  ..................................................  8
        The Priven Creed  .........................................  8
     3. FOR SALE  ................................................. 10
        Programs too big?  Give 'em the AXE!  ..................... 10
        U.S. Robotics 2400 bps internal modems  ................... 11
     4. NOTICES  .................................................. 12
        The Interrupt Stack  ...................................... 12
        Latest Software Versions  ................................. 14
     And more!
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                                 ARTICLES
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     David Lescohier
     The Bionic Dog
     1:101/138

       The IFNA Should Focus on Advocacy for the Fidonet Hobby
       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



     Members of the IFNA and participants in Fidonet agree that
     the IFNA is having a tough time coping with Fidonet's growth
     and remarkable technical advances.  Part of the problem is
     that the IFNA has not been able to anticipate the incredible
     success Fidonet has enjoyed.  It has tried, beyond the time
     when it is possible, to be all things to all people.  As a
     result, Fidonet has not fulfilled satisfactorily the
     expectations of anyone.

     I feel that there is a fundamental incompatibility within
     the IFNA:  On the one hand IFNA tries to run a net and
     balance all the competing interests of the net while at the
     same time attempting to play an advocacy role.

     Advocacy and service delivery do not mix well, hence all the
     complaints about, "An undemocratic Fidonet."  In my view,
     these complaints are a reflection of the mixing of
     incompatible missions in one organization, not a lack of
     democracy.

     It is time for the IFNA to re-position itself with a new,
     much narrower mission.  It is time for the IFNA to get out
     of the Fidonet business.  The mission of the IFNA should be
     to:

     - Increase understanding and support for the Fidonet hobby
       by disseminating information about networks using Fidonet
       technology to the general public and the
       telecommunications industry,

     - Maintain technical standards in order to ensure
       compatibility, portability, and high standards of
       performance within nets using the Fidonet technology,

     - Represent and protect the interests of the Fidonet
       community with manufacturers, government agencies, and
       common carriers in the United States and abroad, and

     - Maintain a visible, stable, financially responsible, and
       democratic association which acts as an open, accessible
       forum that brings people together for the common good of
       the hobby.
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     You will note that there is nothing in this proposed mission
     statement about owning and maintaining a nodelist, or
     administering the Fidonet.  These are functions which the
     IFNA should phase down.

     A much reduced Fidonet should be maintained only for the
     internal use of the IFNA in carrying out its mission.  The
     Fidonet would then only be open to IFNA members and be
     devoted to exchange of information about technical
     standards, the latest rulings of the FCC and other
     authorities, efforts to advocate for favorable rulings,
     information about new products of interest to the Fidonet
     community, etc.

     Needless to say minutes of IFNA meetings, discussions
     regarding IFNA affairs, distribution of Fidonews, and even
     committee meetings would occur through the Fidonet.

     Already at least two alternative nets have emerged using
     Fidonet technology.  One is Alternet, the other is EggNet.
     A third, LCRNET (Least Cost Routing Net) has been proposed.
     Such nets should be encouraged, and a sysop should be able
     to choose among various nets based upon his interests and
     inclinations.

     Each of these nets will maintain their nodelist, and the new
     sysop would obtain a number in the net of his choice.
     Fidonet would seldom be an appropriate first choice unless
     the sysop had a strong commitment to participating in IFNA
     affairs.

     Gateways between the nets could be established at the local
     calling area level, so no one in one net should feel that he
     would be missing out in something happening in another net.
     These arrangements are already a reality in many areas.

     This approach addresses the question of the proportions of
     future nodelists, a problem which is most easily
     resolved by the existence of independent nets.

     The IFNA will end up stronger and more effective by
     restricting itself to an advocacy mission, and letting
     others administer nets, some democratic, some autocratic.
     Thus, a sysop will able to choose the net(s) he belongs
     to according to his interests, values, and philosophy.  Once
     IFNA has redefined a narrowed mission it will hopefully no
     longer be mired in a vortex of flames and devisiveness that
     has characterized its recent history.  Rather, it will be
     able to achieve its potential as an advocate of the Fidonet
     Hobby.


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     Jake Hargrove
     Fido 301/1
     High Mesa Ranger's

     Well  it  is  that  time of the week  again.   I  just  finnished
     deleting  all  of  the messages and *.dat files  created  in  the
     message  areas  by Confmail and OPUS toss  functions.   For  some
     reason over the last 2 weeks I have had to kill almost 4 megs  of
     bad_bndl messages. At first I thought it may have been the system
     from  which  I was geting the mail from but it has seem  to  have
     also  gone over to another system which up til this week had been
     reliable.   There  we  a lot of duplicate messages  being  passed
     around but most of them were not getting into the system

     So in doing my normal purge of messages this PM I took the  giant
     step  for  BBSing around the world.   I used the Norton  WipeFile
     program and Wiped the files clean.   It has seem to clear up some
     of  the other problems I was starting to have.   Like time  being
     off.   I booted the system,  reset the time, and when it rebooted
     at  23:59 like it is suppose to it had a different date and  time
     than what I had set it with only moments earlier.

     After  having  our Net Echo Feed drop the majority  of  our  echo
     mail,  I  have scrambled to pick up the echo's from where ever  I
     could.   It  is impractical to make one phone call of 30  minutes
     each night, when you can make 2 phone calls of 10 minutes and get
     the same stuff.   Do not ask me why except that it seems that the
     backbone  may  be feeding more messages than the little  off  the
     wall pickup.   I should not call calling to Louisiana a little of
     the  wall.   But  it  is cheaper for me to call La than  to  call
     Pheonix.

     Well  here it is Saturday afternoon and after looking at the  log
     for last night I noticed I made connections with the usual boards
     and  picked  up  the usual mail but I did notice  there  were  no
     BAD_BNDl's  in  the root directory.   So apparently what we  have
     done here in 301 has at least temporarily fixed our minor problem
     of duplicate messages, and now the Bad Bundle fiasco.

     As mentioned in last weeks article,  though we may be one of  the
     smallest  net's around,  we are growing.   I have had request for
     two  new  node  numbers,  and as soon as  they  get  their  BBS's
     operational  and  send me net mail stating so I will  be  issuing
     node  numbers for these to.   So you can look forward to at least
     two more BBS's going online here in Albuquerque shortly.

     In the mean time,  as usual you are indeed reading the Fido  News
     Letter  if you are reading this article.   Or you are reading the
     High  Mesa Ranger's News Letter,  or you may well be reading  the
     OPUS Gazette.

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     Jake Hargrove
     Fido 301/1
     High Mesa Ranger's

          Well  after  getting node 301/4 set up and operational  last
     week I kinda figured this week would be a breeze.   I came in and
     was  doing  some work on the echo areas.   Deleteing those  I  no
     longer  was carrying and cleaning up the meassge area for  future
     use.   It  did not take very long to do all of this but it was  a
     tedious task.

          I had done everything I wanted to and was satisfied with  my
     acomplishments.  What I was hoping to do was reduce my phone bill
     for echo mail and gain some disk space back I had lost because of
     the  size of a couple of the message area I was getting.   I  had
     let  things  go  for  a couple of days when I  was  checking  the
     OPUS.LOG.   I noticed an error message I had not seen before.  It
     was:

     ! 25 Jul  1:09:23 OPUS Bad echo line: ` '

          I  for one had never seen that particular message before but
     being the good sysop I try to be.   I sat down at the machine and
     tried to figure out what was happening with my Echo Control file.
     I  spent about 3 days deleteing lines and adding lines  and  just
     plain  old  normal problem seeking.   After the 3rd day I  became
     rather frustrated and decided to do the sensible thing.   I  went
     in  and  make  a printed copy of my ctl file and then I  did  the
     ultimate.   I  erased the ECHO.CTL file completely and  restarted
     all over over again.  Apparently what ever it was was not visible
     to the naked eye or the careful look see of my wife.   I still do
     not know exactly what was causing the Bad echo line:  ` ' message
     but I suspect it could have been a blank space at the end of  one
     of the lines and I was just missing it.

          Well this week has come and gone rather quickly.   I spent a
     lot  of  time at the office writing some  application  files  for
     RBASE  for dos.   One which allows me to have the JULIAN date for
     leap years and normal years with out having to look on a piece of
     paper or calender it come up on the screen when I want it to.   I
     also spent a lot of time working on another one which will  allow
     me  to place the date and time a file was updated into a variable
     and a data column.  So I was rather busy here and at work also.

          It has been raining almost every night here in  Albuquerque,
     the  flood we had a couple of weeks ago has everyone watching the
     sky for those frequent rain storms.   It clears up in the morning
     but then in the afternoon when the heat starts to go up so do the
     clouds and then around 6PM here comes the little water drops.

          Well another month has gone by the way side also and summer
     is almost gone.  An it is time for me to close so I will get out
     of the way and let you read some of the other articles in the
     News Letter.

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     FidoNews 5-32                Page 5                    8 Aug 1988


      TBBS User Group Symposium
      Larry Kayser


                      1st TBBS USER GROUP SYMPOSIUM

     Phil Becker has announced that "After being asked over the last
     year by many TBBS customers, and more recently after Larry Kayser
     twisted my arm a bit", he has decided to put together the 1st
     Annual TBBS User's Group Symposium.

     Since I did not get back out of the way fast enough I have been
     enlisted to help in putting together the program.  We have
     secured facilities in Denver for the meeting, and it will take
     place the Weekend of September 24th.  Plans are for a day and a
     half intensive meeting, with teaching seminars on Menu building,
     Editor usage, Large System Configuration etc."  The preliminary
     schedule is as follows :

     Drafted 06/09/88

     Friday, September 23

          5:00 - 10:00 pm - Registration

          7:00 - 10:00 pm - Get Acquainted Hospitality

     Saturday, September 24

          7:45 -  8:45 am - Breakfast

          7:45 - 11:00 am - Registration

          9:00 - 10:15 am - Third Part Software Presentations
                            ---------------------------------
                            An overview of currently available third
                            party enhancement software for TBBS
                            Version 2.0.

         10:15 - 10:45 am - Break

         10:45 - 12:00 pm - TBBS 2.1 Features and Functions
                            -------------------------------
                            A discussion by Phil Becker of the
                            enhancements in release 2.1 of both
                            single and multi-line TBBS.

         12:15 -  1:15 pm - Lunch

          1:30 -  3:00 pm - Effective Menu Design
                            ---------------------
                            Detailed tutorial examples of how to
                            design an effective TBBS menu system
                            including menu sets, control options,
                            security and hardware selection.
                            Specific examples will be fully
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                            developed during this session to
                            illustrate implementation of the most
                            common design questions. Handouts
                            covering all topics will be provided.

          3:00 -  3:30 pm - Break

          3:30 -  5:00 pm   Applications of Version 2.1
                            Features & Functions
                            ----------------------------------------
                            A demonstration of the use of the new
                            version 2.1 features and functions in
                            specific applications.  In addition use
                            of the new System Design Language (SDL)
                            compiler to ease large system
                            development will be detailed. Specific
                            examples will be fully developed during
                            this session to illustrate
                            implementation of the 2.1 features.
                            Handouts covering all topics will be
                            provided.

          5:00 -  6:30 pm - Free Time

          6:30 -  7:30 pm - Reception

          7:30 -  9:30 pm - Dinner, Awards, Keynote Speaker

          9:30 - 11:30 pm - eSoft Hospitality Suite

     Sunday, Sept 25

          7:45 -  8:45 am - Breakfast

          9:00 - 10:15 am - TBBS Design Considerations Pt 1
                            -------------------------------
                            An in-depth discussion of ideas and
                            techniques related to TBBS
                            implementation including capacity and
                            performance planning issues.  This
                            session will highlight techniques for
                            assessing hardware requirements based on
                            number of lines, line speed and system
                            usage.

         10:15 - 10:45 am - Break

         10:45 - 11:30 am - TBBS Design Considerations Pt 2
                            -------------------------------
                            Large Capacity disk, Storage
                            alternatives, and disk management
                            techniques will be examined. The impact
                            of these on TBBS performance will be
                            detailed, and use of the new 2.1
                            Performance monitor to evaluate disk and
                            CPU impact under actual load will be
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                            discussed.

         11:30 - 12:00 pm - Closing Session



     Breakout rooms and facilities will be available during the
     meeting to support any "birds of a feather" sessions that may
     develop.


     Phil has indicated that "My goal to provide an affordable and
     very useful meeting this first time out". Further more he
     indicated that " I intend this session to be of maximum use to
     those who know what they want to do with TBBS, but may not know
     HOW to do it.  You will leave the session with many concrete
     examples of techniques of information presentation which were
     fully explained in the seminar presentations.  These will also
     be made available to you on disks to take back along with
     printed workbooks.  I feel this session will be well worth the
     price of coming for all who can attend".

     Pricing

       Hotel
      -------

         $45  single
         $55 (single or double suite)

      Conference
     ------------
          $100 includes all Saturday meals and Sunday Breakfast.

     For additional information contact eSoft at (303) 699-6565.

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                                  COLUMNS
     =================================================================

     The Priven Creed
     By Aaron Priven
     Fidonet 1:204/1154

     I dropped out of the various sysop echos some time back. I did
     this because I found myself too caught up in arguments over
     Fidonet policy. I found myself caught in a bitter argument with
     someone I respected greatly. (I still do.) I simply couldn't
     deal with the fact that someone like that could disagree with me
     that strongly -- strongly enough to flame me.

     I've realized now that the reason he did that wasn't because he
     really hated me. It was because he was too tied up with this
     authority thing that he couldn't grasp the fact that I was just
     stating an opinion. (He kept asking me who I was representing,
     what I stood to gain from what I said, and so on.) He was just
     too caught up in the power play of Net Politics to listen to what
     I said instead of a supposed ulterior motive.

     Well, I'm back now. It's not exactly my own choice. I am going
     away to school in September, and one of my users may be
     interested in taking over my BBS when that happens. Since that
     person has little technical expertise, and very little concept of
     the net itself, I thought it would help to give the person
     read-only access to these conferences and answer questions
     myself. But to do that I have to read the areas.

     So I am writing, mostly for my own benefit, a creed of what I
     will and will not do in these areas. It may not be easy to
     follow, but I will try.

     1. I will NOT respond to any messages about Fidonet or Echomail
     policy, or mention it in my own messages. It just isn't important
     enough to spend time and get stressed from. THE MAIL WILL STILL
     FLOW even if the policymaking structures fall on their faces.
     What's really important is the ability to communicate with
     people, and as long as that is accomplished, Fidonet is doing its
     job. If other people have other ideas of what Fidonet is supposed
     to do, that's ok, as long as the mail flows. (There may be
     exceptions to this -- for example, I read in INTERUSER that in
     some places there is a pseudo-IFNA rule that there is no
     political discussion allowed in any echos. This kind of
     censorship is overriding.)

     2. I will NOT flame anyone. If I do flame anyone I have been
     incredibly rude and have hurt the possibility of discussion.

     3. I will NOT respond to flames in a like manner. I WILL take
     flames seriously and critically examine them for truthful
     statements, and if I find any, try to correct flaws in myself.
     I am not perfect and I must recognize that.

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     4. I WILL obey General Echomail Etiquette. (No ads in non-ad
     areas, no personal messages, no all-uppercase messages, etc.)

     Well, that's it. I can't think of any other rules to put down.
     I will try my hardest to obey this creed. It won't be easy, and
     at times I know I'll transgress the limits. If I do, please
     remind me.

     I give this to you in hopes that maybe one or two of you will
     realize what I've been trying to say: FIDONET POLICY IS NOT
     IMPORTANT. It doesn't matter. Who cares if there are two echomail
     distribution networks, or one, or eight, or 900. Who cares if
     there are independent zones or not. Who cares if there are two
     or twelve or six hundred little networks. It doesn't matter. You
     still get your echos, you still have a Fidonet address. The
     important things are all there. Let the rest alone and let those
     who really do have a Power Play mindset play with it. It doesn't
     matter anyway.

      Good luck to all of you,

      =Aaron= Priven

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     =================================================================
                                 FOR SALE
     =================================================================

                    Programs too big?  Give 'em the AXE!


     What could  SEA  do  to  top  it's  phenominally  successful  ARC
     program?


     Well,  have  you noticed that new programs from SEA don't seem to
     ARC very well lately?


                               *     *     *


     System Enhancement Associates,  Inc.  is proud  to  announce  the
     latest  and  greatest  addition  to our line of quality software.
     Our new product is called AXE, and it can chop your programs down
     to size!

     If you thought ARC was good,  wait until  you  see  AXE!  It  can
     compress  almost  any  .EXE  or  .COM  file  by  twenty to thirty
     percent,  saving you megabytes of disk  space.  And,  here's  the
     best part, the programs don't have to be uncompressed to run!

     That's right,  you can AXE all your programs and make them twenty
     to thirty percent smaller (or MORE), and they still run just like
     they always did.  You'll never even notice  you  AXEd  them,  but
     you'll sure notice the extra disk space!

     AXE is available for $50 from:

                    System Enhancement Associates, Inc.
                       21 New Street, Wayne NJ 07470

     or  you  can call us (voice) at 201-473-5153.  We accept VISA and
     MasterCard.  Get AXE today, and chop your programs down to size!

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     FidoNews 5-32                Page 11                   8 Aug 1988


     John Hamilton, 1:143/8

     U.S. Robotics 2400 bps internal, half-length modems are still
     available to SysOps and friends for $155.00 (prepaid, shipping
     included; COD ok for $150 plus shipping/insurance if you are a
     FidoNet SysOp). Check or money order accepted for payment, no
     credit cards.

     Contact John Hamilton at 143/8 for information if you wish to
     place an order. There is no quantity limitation. You want 200 of
     them? Go ahead, make my day! Discounts can be negotiated for
     quantities over five, but I will gladly sell one at a time.

     To date, over two dozen sysops have purchased one of these
     modems from me, and I am glad to be able to continue to offer
     to pass along a bargain available to me because of some R&D I
     am doing.

     Offer subject to change without notice.

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     FidoNews 5-32                Page 12                   8 Aug 1988


     =================================================================
                                  NOTICES
     =================================================================

                          The Interrupt Stack


     25 Aug 1988
        Start  of the  Fifth  International  FidoNet Conference, to be
        held  at  the Drawbridge Inn  in Cincinnati, OH.  Contact  Tim
        Sullivan at 108/62 for more information. This is FidoNet's big
        annual get-together, and is your chance to meet all the people
        you've  been talking with  all this time.  We're hoping to see
        you there!

     24 Aug 1989
        Voyager 2 passes Neptune.

      5 Oct 1989
        20th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"

     If you have something which you would like to see on this
     calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

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     Rob Barker 138/34
     Chairman, Elections and Nominations Committee


                                RULES AND PROCEDURES

     The next two pages are your Official ballot for the Election of
     the IFNA Board of Directors.  The following are the few rules
     which must prevail in this election:

     1. You must send a legible copy of this ballot to the address
     listed on the ballot or cast your vote in person at the
     conference prior to the closing of the election Polls.  It must
     be signed and bear your current net/node number.

     2. You may vote for any person in your Division for the position
     of Divisional Director.  This vote is to be cast in the LEFT
     column of the ballot.

     3. You may vote for any six people for the position of Director
     at Large.  These votes are to be cast in the RIGHT column of
     the ballot.

     4. Voting will continue until the end of the Conference
     registration on the 24th of August, 1988.  Ballots which are
     mailed must reach the address listed below prior to Tuesday, 23
     August 1988.  The results will be read during the opening of
     business meeting on the first day of the conference.

     5. Write-in votes will be accepted and are requested during this
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     election.





                               IFNA Board Of Directors
                                        Ballot


     Candidate               Net/Node     Divisional    At-Large
                                             Vote         Vote
     ------------------      ---------    ----------    --------

     DIVISION 2:
        Henk Weavers            500/1         (1)

     DIVISION 10:
        Jim Bacon               103/507      _____        _____
        Courtney Harris         102/732      _____        _____
        Steve Jordan            102/2871     _____        _____

     DIVISION 12:
        Bill Bolton             711/403      _____        _____
        Leonard Mednick         345/1        _____        _____

     DIVISION 14:
        Glen Jackson            100/517      _____        _____
        Ken Kaplan              100/22       _____        _____

     DIVISION 16:
        Vince Perriello         141/491       (1)

     DIVISION 18:
        Chris Baker             18/14         (1)

     ADDITIONAL AT-LARGE
        Steve Bonine            115/777                   _____
        Don Daniels             107/210                   _____
        Dave Melnik             107/233                   _____
        Robert Rudolph          261/628                   _____
        Greg Small              148/122                   _____
        ________________       _________                  _____
        ________________       _________                  _____
        ________________       _________                  _____


     (1)  This candidate has been elected to the office of Divisional
     Director with no further voting procedure necessary as per By
     Law #11.

     "The Nominations and Elections Committee shall delet the name of
     any nominee who mayt be ineligible for election and the name of
     any who may withdraw by written communications.  The remaining
     names shall be listed on a ballot, in alphabetical order.  IF
     THERE BE BUT ONE ELIGIBLE NOMINEE, THE NOMINATIONS AND ELECTION
     FidoNews 5-32                Page 14                   8 Aug 1988


     COMMITTEE SHALL DECLARE HIM ELECTED WITHOUT BALLOTING BY THE
     MEMBERSHIP. (Emphasis added. -rb) If there be more than one
     eligible nominee, then at least 45 days prior to the Annual
     Meeting the Secretary shall send by mail to every voting member,
     and publish in FidoNews, a bollot listing the candidates for
     director.  The ballor shall contain a copy of the current
     voting rules."




        Name ______________________________  Net/Node ___________

        Signature______________________________  Date ___________


     Please complete this and mail it to:

                   Rob Barker
                   IFNA Elections Committee
                   7406 - 27th Street West
                   Suite #7, Plaza West
                   Tacoma, Wa 98466

     or bring it with you when you come to the conference in August.


                               Thank You

                               Rob Barker
                               Elections and Nominations Committee

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                          Latest Software Versions

     BBS Systems            Node List              Other
     & Mailers   Version    Utilities   Version    Utilities   Version

     Dutchie        2.90*   EditNL         4.00*   ARC            5.22*
     Fido            12h    MakeNL         2.12*   ARCmail         1.1
     Opus          1.03b    Prune          1.40    ConfMail       3.31
     SEAdog         4.10    XlatList       2.86    EchoMail       1.31
     TBBS           2.0M    XlaxNode       2.10*   MGM             1.1
     BinkleyTerm    1.50    XlaxDiff       2.10*
     QuickBBS       2.01    ParseList      1.10

     * Recently changed

     Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
     reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
     all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

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                             COMMITTEE REPORTS
     =================================================================

     Bob Swift 1:140/24
     By-Laws and Rules Committee

     The following is the Ballot for the voting on the proposed
     amendments to the By-Laws of the International FidoNet
     Association (IFNA) for 1988.  By-Law Item 40 states that "These
     By-Laws may be amended  or changed by majority vote of the
     membership during any election. ..."  These amendments are to be
     voted on in conjunction with the current Election of the IFNA
     Board of Directors and are to conform to the following rules:

     1. You must send a legible copy of this ballot to the address
     listed on the ballot or cast your vote in person at the
     conference prior to the closing of the election Polls.  It must
     be signed and bear your current net/node number.

     2. Voting will continue until the end of the Conference
     registration on the 25th of August, 1988.  Ballots which are
     mailed must reach the address listed below prior to Wednesday,
     24 August 1988.  The results will be read during the opening of
     business meeting on the first day of the conference.

     The actual text of the proposed amendments appeared in FidoNews
     volume 5 issue 31, dated 1 August 1988.  The complete text of the
     proposed amendments along with a copy of this Ballot is available
     as BYLAW-88.ARC for download from 1:140/24, or may be file-
     requested under the name BYLAWS88 any time outside Zone 1 Mail
     Hour.


                     International FidoNet Association
                       1988 By-Law Amendments Ballot
                     ---------------------------------

     Docket Number BLA-88-0001 (Definitions)

          A _____   B _____   None _____


     Docket Number BLA-88-0002 (Membership)

          A _____   B _____   C _____   D _____   E _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0003 (Application and Notification)

          A _____   B _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0004 (Annual Fees)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0005 (Directors' Successors)
     FidoNews 5-32                Page 16                   8 Aug 1988


          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0006 (Compensation)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0007 (Qualification)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0008 (Representation)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0009 (Nomination Deadline)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0010 (Nominations)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0011 (Ballots)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0012 (Vacant Position)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0013 (Alternates)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0014 (Elections)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0015 (Recall Petition)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0016 (Annual Business Meeting)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0017 (Agenda)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0018 (Voting Divisions)

          A _____   B _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0019 (Secretary Responsibilities)

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          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0020 (VP-TC Responsibilities)

          A _____   B _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0021 (Standing Committees)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0022 (Administration and Finance Committee)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0023 (By-Laws and Rules Committee)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0024 (Fidonews)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0025 (By-Law Amendments)

          A _____   B _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0026 (Non-Compliance)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0027 (Financial Audit)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0028 (Trademarks)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0029 (Conduct of Business)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0030 (Meeting Precedence)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0031 (Zones)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0032 (Grievance Committee)

          Yea _____   Nay _____



     FidoNews 5-32                Page 18                   8 Aug 1988


        Name ______________________________  Net/Node ___________

        Signature______________________________  Date ___________


     Please complete this and mail it to:

                   Rob Barker
                   IFNA Elections Committee
                   7406 - 27th Street West
                   Suite #7, Plaza West
                   Tacoma, Wa 98466

     or bring it with you when you come to the conference in August.

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     FidoNews 5-32                Page 19                   8 Aug 1988


            OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION

     Ken Kaplan       100/22   Chairman of the Board
     Don Daniels      107/210  President
     Mark Grennan     147/1    Vice President
     Dave Dodell      114/15   Vice President - Technical Coordinator
     David Garrett    103/501  Secretary
     Leonard Mednick  345/1    Treasurer



                         IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS

         DIVISION                               AT-LARGE

     10  Steve Jordan      102/2871        Don Daniels     107/210
     11  Bill Allbritten   11/301          Hal DuPrie      101/106
     12  Leonard Mednick   345/1           Mark Grennan    147/1
     13  Rick Siegel       107/27          Brad Hicks      100/523
     14  Ken Kaplan        100/22          Ted Polczyinski 154/5
     15  Jim Cannell       128/13          Kurt Reisler    109/74
     16  Vince Perriello   141/491         Robert Rudolph  261/628
     17  Rob Barker        138/34          Greg Small      148/122
     18  Christopher Baker 135/14          Bob Swift       140/24
     19  Vernon Six        19/0            Larry Wall      15/18
      2  Henk Wevers       2:500/1         Gee Wong        107/312

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     FidoNews 5-32                Page 20                   8 Aug 1988


                                      __
                 The World's First   /  \
                    BBS Network     /|oo \
                    * FidoNet *    (_|  /_)
                                    _`@/_ \    _
                                   |     | \   \\
                                   | (*) |  \   ))
                      ______       |__U__| /  \//
                     / Fido \       _//|| _\   /
                    (________)     (_/(_|(____/ (tm)

            Membership for the International FidoNet Association

     Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that
     pays the annual membership fee.  IFNA serves the international
     FidoNet-compatible electronic mail community to increase
     worldwide communications.

     Name __________________________________  Date ___________________
     Address _________________________________________________________
     City ____________________________________________________________
     State ________________________________  Zip _____________________
     Country _________________________________________________________
     Home Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
     Work Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
     Is this a new application? _________  a renewal? ________________
     Are you a Sysop? _________  If so, for how long? ________________
     Your BBS Info:   (Non-Sysops enter info for your most-called BBS)
     Zone:Net/Node Number ____________________________________________
     BBS Name ________________________________________________________
     BBS Phone Number ________________________________________________
     Your Special Interests __________________________________________
     _________________________________________________________________
     _________________________________________________________________
     In what areas would you be willing to help in FidoNet? __________
     _________________________________________________________________
     _________________________________________________________________
     Are there any special resources that you could provide? _________
     _________________________________________________________________

               Regular Membership                     $25
               Lifetime Membership                    $250

         Send this form and a check or money order in US Funds to:
                   International FidoNet Association
                   c/o Leonard Mednick, CPA
                   700 Bishop Street, #1014
                   Honolulu, HI   96813    USA

     IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization.  Articles of
     Association and By-Laws were adopted by the membership in January
     1987.  The IFNA Echomail Conference has been established on
     FidoNet to assist the Board of Directors.  We welcome your input
     on this Conference.

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     FidoNews 5-32                Page 21                   8 Aug 1988


                     INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION
                                 ORDER FORM

                                Publications

     The IFNA publications can be obtained by downloading from Fido
     1:1/10 or  other FidoNet compatible  systems, or by purchasing
     them directly from IFNA.  We ask that  all our  IFNA Committee
     Chairmen   provide  us   with  the  latest  versions  of  each
     publication, but we can make no written guarantees.

     Hardcopy prices as of October 1, 1986

        IFNA Fido BBS listing                       $15.00    _____
        IFNA Administrative Policy DOCs             $10.00    _____
        IFNA FidoNet Standards Committee DOCs       $10.00    _____

                                                  SUBTOTAL    _____

                      IFNA Member ONLY Special Offers

        System Enhancement Associates SEAdog        $60.00    _____
        SEAdog price as of March 1, 1987
        ONLY 1 copy SEAdog per IFNA Member

        Fido Software's Fido/FidoNet               $100.00    _____
        Fido/FidoNet price as of November 1, 1987
        ONLY 1 copy Fido/FidoNet per IFNA Member

        International orders include $10.00 for
               surface shipping or $20.00 for air shipping    _____

                                                  SUBTOTAL    _____

                    HI. Residents add 4.0 % Sales tax         _____

                                                  TOTAL       _____

        SEND CHECK OR MONEY ORDER IN US FUNDS:
        International FidoNet Association
        c/o Leonard Mednick, MBA, CPA
        700 Bishop Street, #1014
        Honolulu, HI.  96813-4112
        USA

     Name________________________________
     Zone:Net/Node____:____/____
     Company_____________________________
     Address_____________________________
     City____________________  State____________  Zip_____
     Voice Phone_________________________

     Signature___________________________

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