pozar@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Pozar) (11/17/89)
Volume 6, Number 46 13 November 1989
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Editor in Chief: Vince Perriello
Editors Emeritii: Dale Lovell
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Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings
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Table of Contents
1. ARTICLES ................................................. 1
And then there was.....GONG .............................. 1
HIGH_ED Echo Conference (Update) ......................... 5
2. LATEST VERSIONS .......................................... 8
Latest Software Versions ................................. 8
3. NOTICES .................................................. 11
The Interrupt Stack ...................................... 11
FidoNews 6-46 Page 1 13 Nov 1989
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ARTICLES
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And then there was.....GONG
Bob Moravsik 1:269/107
I want to start out by encouraging all the voters to vote NO
in the IFNA non-binding referendum. Why ? Why give DEATHNET
any encouragement? In FIDONEWS 6-45 the "proposed" BYLAWS and
"policies" were first shown. While reading them I noticed a
loud noise every few pages similar to the noise we all hear
when we watch "Current Events". I thought I'd share my "gongs"
with you.
Where and when will meetings be held ?
GONG!
Wherever and whenever the BOD wants them!
Who votes?
GONG!
The holders of these three year proxies, whoever they are,
they reappear in Article III Section 4 as the "holders of a
majority of all membership votes" !!!!!
Is the membership list available ?
GONG!
Only for 10 days before the meeting, then tough!
Can members call special meeting ?
GONG!
Yes, but it takes 10%, Missouri Law lets this go to as low
as 50
Are voting results published ?
GONG!
Nope, they still stay hidden! This is one of the biggest
problems with the DEATHNET group. SECRECY!
FidoNews 6-46 Page 2 13 Nov 1989
Do you get notice of meetings?
GONG!
Yep, as short as ten days, then the "vote holder" of the
proxies, swoops in and declares a "mandate". Beginning to see
a pattern, HUH !!!!!
Why six directors ?
GONG!
Suspect the CHAIRPERSON will vote and he/she doesn't have to
even be a member !!!. More patterns, HUH !!!
Article III Section 4..
Who is the "holder of a majority of all membership votes"?
GONG!
Let's refer to them as THE DICTATOR. And you thought this
was DEMOCRATIC ?????
Ya learned huh ! OK How many Directors are there?
GONG!
As many as the BOD wants (Section III.5.) Fooled ya!
Must the CHAIRPERSON be a member?
GONG!
Nope, note the existing Chair is not even a SYSOP!
Did YOU elect this CHAIRPERSON ?
GONG!
Nope.
Is there an "Independent Judiciary" ?
GONG!
Nope. The independant judiciary is hiding right next to the
FIDOCON 89 vote counts !!!
FidoNews 6-46 Page 3 13 Nov 1989
Are the BYLAWS for real ?
GONG!
Nope, Read Article XI, they can be changed at will !!!!!.
FOOLED YA, HUH? It's like reading instructions then the last
instructions says "ignore what you just read !!!!"
What's a "Local organization", Article XII sec 1?
GONG!
Whatever it is, you can be sure it will conflict with the
national organization. At last we found the ray of revolution.
DEATHNET is a "local organization" and we see what it can do.
Is this the "seed" for an Zone x organization ?????. Wonder
how this NEW provision is related to the YPOP proposal GONG
GONG on this!
POLICY 5
Now the policy...well what is this "Supplement" ?
GONG!
It's the way that DEATHNET can keep the nodes in line. Real
DEMOCRATIC !!!
Does a node have to adhere to policy?
GONG!
Nope, except for the techie stuff, see Art IV they must know
their A B C's.
Is it POLICY 3 or POLICY 4 ?
GONG! GONG! GONG!
Note Section VI, paragraph 2. if policy 5 is not ratified
then it is not in effect BUT it "somehow" rises from the ashes
and raises back Policy 3 ????, 3 guesses who likes this
provision!!! As to being related to reality !!!
SUMMARY
These documents are about as DEMOCRATIC as CUBA's
Constitution. ALL THE POWER is in the hands of the BOD. BYLAWS
once passed should not be easy to change. Proxies should
expire after the meeting they were given for. Meetings of an
International Organization should have more then 10 days
notice. Policies on a local level should NEVER conflict with
International Policies. AND ABOVE ALL, THIS ENTIRE PROCEDURE
SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A MASK TO REINSTATE POLICY 3.
FidoNews 6-46 Page 4 13 Nov 1989
And for the REAL kicker, don't you find it TRULY AMAZING
that the Chairman of the International Fidonet Association,
the organization that wants to rewrite and establish the RULES
and REGULATIONS for Fidonet, IS NOT A MEMBER OF FIDONET. Try
playing the latest craze in Parlor Games, "Find Henderson in
the Nodelist"! It's like Gorbachev saying he wants to rewrite
the US Constitution.
I STRONGLY urge you to vote NO and keep the status quo.
Reject the recent BYLAW changes and write them off as the work
of ARROGANTS who must be shown that the SYSOPS will not be
fooled by this stuff.
You have a node number, a set of rules, and a worldwide network
to belong to. It works. Don't be fooled into "fixing" it. Let's
work on changing Policy 4, or implementing a new policy. Let's
have what happens to Fidonet be the result of the PEOPLE in it,
not the doings on an mis- directed group that thrives on power
and control.
Sure, IFNA can revolutionize Fidonet. But remember, Castro
revolutionized Cuba. And now they can't get rid of him.
Bob Moravsik 1:269/107
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HIGH_ED Echo Conference (Update)
Now available from your NEC/REC by way of the "Backbone."
The HIGH_ED conference is proving to be one of the fastest
growing new echo's in the country. As such, it is now available
on the "backbone." Alternate routes are available for those who
are unable to get the echo through their NEC due to compatibility
problems (specifically Mac systems who are having trouble
communicating with some of the non-Mac systems).
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HIGH_ED Echo Conference
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This echo is being developed for the primary purpose of providing
Students, Staff and Faculty of "Higher Educational" facilities
across the nation a forum for the discussion of subjects related
to Higher Education.
Although the intent of this echo is to service the needs of
Students, Staff and Faculty, everyone is welcome to participate
in or initiate discussions related to Higher Education. For
example, a person might wish to ask a question about a particular
institution that he/she is thinking about enrolling at in the
future. The subject matter is wide open so it will be up to the
participants to keep the ball rolling on this echo.
The only restrictions that presently apply to the use of this
echo are: The language used must be clean and the discussions
legal.
FOR THE RECORD:
The "HIGH_ED" Conference echo is presently being carried by the
following nodes:
11/301 107/240 108/111 138/116 157/520 233/5 233/6 233/8
233/12 233/13 233/15 233/69 237/500 237/505 282/22 282/32
288/528 290/628 301/4 320/450
Higher Educational Communities presently being served:
Adelphi University, Garden City, New York
Anoka-Ramsey Community College, Coon Rapids, Minn.
Augsburg College, Minneapolis, Minn.
Bethel College, Arden Hills, Minn.
Carlelton College, Northfield, Minn.
College of St. Catherine, St. Paul, Minn.
Concordia College, St. Paul, Minn.
Danville Area Community College, Danville, Illinois
FidoNews 6-46 Page 6 13 Nov 1989
Des Moines Area Community College, Des Moines, Iowa
Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa
Eastern Connecticut State University, Davidson, Conn.
Eastern Illinois University, Charleston, Illinois
Eastern Kentucky University, Richmond, Kentucky
Grandview College, Des Moines, Iowa
Hamline University, St. Paul, Minn.
Iowa State (Field Classrooms), Des Moines, Iowa
Inver Hills Community College, Inver Grove Heights, Minn.
Macalester College, St. Paul, Minn.
Minneapolis College of Art & Design, Minneapolis, Minn.
Murray State University, Murray, Kentucky
Normandale Community College, Bloomington, Minn.
Parkland College, Champaign, Illinois
Pierce Community College, Tacoma, Washington
Qunibaug Valley Community College, Davidson, Conn.
Southern Illinois University, Carbondale, Illinois
St. Olaf College, Northfield, Minn.
University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
University of Connecticut, Connecticut
University of Illinois, Champaign/Urbana, Illinois
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis-St.Paul, Minn.
University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico
William Mitchell College, St. Paul, Minn.
Youngstown State University, Youngstown, Ohio
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HIGH_ED is accessible to the non-bbs educational community
through an Internet (BITNET, USENET, CSNET, ARPANET, MILNET, etc)
mailing list. Internet users may subscribe to this echo by
sending a request to:
highed@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu
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ATTENTION SYSOPS:
Any Sysops wishing to carry this echo are encouraged to contact
your NEC. Any Sysops now carrying the echo and not listed above,
are encouraged to post a note on the echo telling me to add you
to the list.
If for some reason you are not able to get HIGH_ED from your NEC,
you are welcome to contact me directly to make other
arrangements.
SPECIAL THANKS
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Thanks to the following for the help they have provided in making
this one of the fastest growing echos:
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Mike Harrell, 288/528
Tony Austinson, 282/22
Michael Pester, 290/628
Joseph Emmanuel, 301/4
Jerry Syriac, 320/450
Terry Clabaugh, 233/6
HIGH_ED Echo Moderator
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LATEST VERSIONS
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Latest Software Versions
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Network Node List Other
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FrontDoor 2.0 Prune 1.40 ConfMail 4.00
PRENM 1.47 SysNL 2.65* EMM 2.02
SEAdog 4.51b XlatList 2.90 GROUP 2.16
XlaxDiff 2.32 GUS 1.20M*
XlaxNode 2.32 LHARC 1.13
MSG 4.0*
MSGED 1.99
PK[UN]ZIP 1.01
QM 1.0
QSORT 4.03
StarLink 1.01*
TCOMMail 2.2
TMail 1.12*
TPBNetEd 3.2
UFGATE 1.03
XRS 3.0
ZmailQ 1.09
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Mansion 7.12 Tabby 2.1 ArcMac 1.3
WWIV (Mac) 3.0 StuffIt 1.51
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TImport 1.331
TExport 1.32
Timestamp 1.6
Tset 1.3
Timestart 1.1
Tally 1.1
Mehitabel 1.2
Archie 1.60
Jennifer 0.25b2g
Numberizer 1.5c
MessageEdit 1.0
Mantissa 1.0
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R.PreStamp 2.01
Saphire 2.1t
Epistle II 1.01
Import 2.52
Export 2.54
Sundial 2.1
AreaFix 1.1
Probe 0.052
Terminator 1.1
TMM 4.0b
UNZIP 1.01*
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ChameleonEdit 0.10
Lharc 0.50
ParseLst 1.30
PkAX 1.00
Pktfix 1.01*
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Zoo 2.00
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GS Point 0.61 TurboArc 1.1
LHARC 0.40
PKUNZIP 1.00
MSGED 1.96S
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NOTICES
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The Interrupt Stack
17 Nov 1989
George Stanislav becomes a United States citizen
23 Nov 1989
26th Anniversary of "Dr. Who" - and still going strong
1 Dec 1989
Close of local balloting in IFNA plebiscite
4 Dec 1989
Local coordinators post final IFNA vote details
11 Dec 1989
Deadline for local IFNA vote tally challenges
15 Dec 1989
Network Coordinators report votes in IFNA plebiscite to
Regional Coordinators
18 Dec 1989
Regional Coordinators report votes in IFNA plebiscite
to Zone Coordinators
22 Dec 1989
IFNA plebiscite results posted in NODELIST.356
30 Dec 1989
Telephone area codes (5, 3 and 0) are abolished in Hong Kong
1 Feb 1990
Deadline for IFNA Policy and Bylaws election
5 Jun 1990
David Dodell's 33rd Birthday
5 Oct 1990
21st Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"
If you have something which you would like to see on this
calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.
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OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION
Thom Henderson 1:107/528 Chairman of the Board
Les Kooyman 1:204/501 President
Fabian Gordon 1:107/323 Vice President
Bill Bolton 3:3/0 Vice President-Technical Coordinator
Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Secretary
Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Treasurer
IFNA COMMITTEE AND BOARD CHAIRS
Administration and Finance *
By-laws and Rules John Roberts 1:385/49
Executive Committee (Pres) Les Kooyman 1:204/501
International Affairs *
Membership Services Jim Vaughan 1:226/300
Nominations and Elections Steve Bonine 1:1/0
Public Affairs David Drexler 1:147/30.20
Publications Irene Henderson 1:107/9
Technical Standards Rick Moore 1:115/333
Ethics *
Security and Privacy *
Grievances *
* Position in abeyance pending reorganization
IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS
DIVISION AT-LARGE
10 Courtney Harris 1:102/732 Don Daniels 1:107/210
11 John Rafuse 1:12/700 Phil Buonomo 1:107/583
12 Bill Bolton 3:711/403 Mark Hawthorne 1:107/238
13 Fabian Gordon 1:107/323 Tom Jennings 1:125/111
14 Ken Kaplan 1:100/22 Irene Henderson 1:107/509
15 Kevin McNeil 1:128/45 Steve Jordan 1:206/2871
16 Ivan Schaffel 1:141/390 Robert Rudolph 1:261/628
17 Kathi Crockett 1:134/30 Dave Melnik 1:107/233
18 Andrew Adler 1:135/47 Jim Hruby 1:107/536
19 Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Burt Juda 1:107/528
2 Henk Wevers 2:500/1 Karl Schinke 1:107/516
3 Matt Whelan 3:54/99 John Roberts 1:147/14
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