pozar@kumr.UUCP (Tim Pozar) (10/25/90)
Volume 7, Number 43 22 October 1990
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Editor in Chief: Vince Perriello
Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell
Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings
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Most articles are unsolicited. Our policy is to publish every
responsible submission received.
Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Happy October to you all ................................. 1
2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2
DVNet for DESQview Users ................................. 2
Put Idol Worship Back In Our Schools! .................... 7
FidoNews: We +should+ print it all ....................... 10
SURVIVOR Echo Available .................................. 12
It's Obvious To Me ....................................... 13
3. COLUMNS .................................................. 15
Talk Me Through It, Honey ................................ 15
4. LATEST VERSIONS .......................................... 18
And more!
FidoNews 7-43 Page 1 22 Oct 1990
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EDITORIAL
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As we approach All Hallow's Eve, some funny gremlins seem to
have already appeared in this general vicinity. Some of them
ate my netmail and a couple of days of files (I don't even
know what they were). If you sent something in this week and
you don't see it here, please send it again -- I lost it.
My faith in humanity is finally proven in this week's issue.
Someone actually figured out what the IMPORTANT point of that
abortion article happened to be! Folks, it had nothing to do
with abortion. It was about extremists in positions of power
in this country -- and what they'll stoop to in order to inflict
their views on you. Damned important reading in ANY forum.
So much for my political views. They only reinforced my basic
inclination to publish the article. I had no good reason NOT
to. I've published articles that were a hell of a lot more
inane and had even LESS to do with FidoNet. That's what you get
when you have your very own electronic cork board. You get
something damned close to pure entropy.
Ah, yes. ENTROPY. Perhaps Congress should form a committee to
study ways of keeping it under Governmental control. Perhaps
it's too dangerous to be allowed out there in the public domain.
Well, I don't think so. If you send me something (and if I don't
pull some stupid stunt and lose it) I'll print it, unless it
appears to be in violation of some law to do so. Fortunately I
haven't had to make that call very often. You all are sensible
enough to handle that on your own. I appreciate your discretion.
Two of this week's articles make the point that an open
editorial policy is the only way to run FidoNews. I couldn't
agree more. In a world where one man's trash is another man's
treasure, I can't imagine a formal policy that would not
result in a net loss for all of us. As long as I have anything
to do with it, there will be no such policy.
Thanks for listening.
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FidoNews 7-43 Page 2 22 Oct 1990
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ARTICLES
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Peter Stern
1:17/38 DVNet Headquarters
DESQview File Support Network
DVNet is one of the older specialized file distribution
networks in Fidonet. When Quarterdeck Office Systems[QOS]
released QEMM the expanded memory manager and DESQview 2.0,
alot of Sysops discovered the joy of multitasking their BBS
systems. Users began clamoring for programs written to run
under the new environment.
The popularity of DESQview has continued to grow and DVNet
was started to fill a void in getting software spread to as
wide as audience as possible and to offer a published
listing of where to obtain it. DVNet nodes exist in Zones 1,
2 and 3 thanks to the interest and support of sysops around
the world.
A complete listing of the member BBS's is published on the
4th of every month in the DESQview echo. A complete listing
of the files, or alternatively, files added during the
previous 30 days is also published.
Unlike SDS or SDN, sysops in DVNet are free to use whatever
storage format they prefer. When requesting a file from a
DVNet node, a wild card should be used for the extension.
DVNet supports the magic file name DVNET for each member
node's DVNet file area list. You may also request the
listing using the convention net-node.DV ... 124-6101.DV
The importance of DVNet to DESQview users was hi-lighted
recently in a feature article written for the California
based computer newspaper MicroTimes. The article introduced
readers to DVNet as an excellent resource for information
and software.
Sysops interested in joining DVNet should obtain DVN-INF.*
from any member node. This archive contains operational
policies, set-up information and an application.
DVNet is not affiliated with Quarterdeck Office Systems.
DESQview & QEMM are registered trademarks of QOS.
This is the listing of member nodes as of Oct 17, 1990
FidoNews 7-43 Page 3 22 Oct 1990
Zone 1
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*65'North, Fairbanks, AK 1:17/38
Opus 386, Davis, CA 1:203/910
Carl's Corner, San Jose, CA 1:10/1
Carl's Corner, San Jose, CA 1:10/2
SeaHunt BBS, Burlingame, CA 1:125/20
Stingray!, Clovis CA 1:205/12
Bertha Board, Mantica CA 1:208/204
SF PCUG BBS, San Francisco CA 1:1/310
Pacific Rim Info, San Diego CA 1:202/701
Bink of an Aye, Portland, OR 1:105/42
P C Support, Portland, OR 1:105/66
Atarian BBS, Portland, OR 1:105/10
Busker's Boneyard, Portland,OR 1:105/14
Busker's Boneyard, Portland,OR 1:105/41
Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, WA 1:105/103
Puget Sound Gtwy., Puyallup, WA 1:138/3
Rampart General,Kansas City,MO 1:280/6
Icarus, Iowa City, IA 1:283/657
Oregon Trail XRoads, Casper WY 1:303/5
World Peace BBS 2, Denver CO 1:104/414
World Peace BBS, Denver CO 1:104/415
EET BBS, Nashville TN 1:116/24
Dickson County, Dickson, TN 1:116/25
Programmers' Attic, Will., MI 1:159/850
The Royal Joke, Royal Oak,MI 1:120/183
NHampton Data,Cuyahoga Falls OH 1:157/533
Corvette BBS,Pickerington OH 1:226/110
Wolfram Research, Champaign IL 1:233/17
Someplace BBS, Indianapolis IN 1:231/120
Ecclesia Place, Monroeville, PA 1:129/75
The Other BBS, Harrisburg PA 1:270/101
Optical Illusion, Allentown PA 1:273/603
The Mountain Top,Cincinnati OH 1:108/107
IBM Tech Fido, Pepperell, MA 1:322/1
Waystar BBS, Marlborough, MA 1:322/14
Pioneer Valley PCUG1,Amherst MA 1:321/109
The Business Card, Lawrence MA 1:324/121
The Toy Room BBS, Hudson NH 1:132/159
SeaCoast Opus, Kittery Pt ME 1:132/225
The Ozone Layer, Williston VT 1:325/118
Andromeda Galaxy, Troy NY 1:267/167
Rivendell * TAP/1,Syracuse NY 1:260/340
Treasure Island, Danbury, CT 1:141/730
Ascii Neighborhood,W Haven CT 1:141/333
Plainfield News, Plainfield CT 1:320/452
Addict's Attic,Germantown MD 1:109/423
AviTechnic ,Lutherville MD 1:261/662
The Night Shift,Hampton VA 1:271/245
Just For Fun, Danville VA 1:264/610
FidoNews 7-43 Page 4 22 Oct 1990
Maple Shade Opus,Maple Shade NJ 1:266/12
Capital City , Burlington NJ 99:9230/1
Capital City , Burlington NJ 8:950/10
Capital City , Burlington NJ 1:266/21
The Switch Room, Plainsboro NJ 1:107/436
The Switch Room, Plainsboro NJ 1:107/437
Atrium Way, Morris Plains NJ 1:269/107
Southern Cross BBS, Miami FL 1:135/69
Island Sun, Caparra Heights PR 1:367/15
Dungeon Quest II, Havelock NC 1:3614/501
Software Designer, Albany, GA 1:3617/1
Software Designer, Albany, GA 8:928/1
Dragon's Lair, Galveston, TX 1:386/451
Conch Opus, Houston, TX 1:106/357
Inns of Court, Dallas, TX 1:124/6101
Dallas Email, Dallas, TX 8:930/101
Spare Parts, Bedford, TX 1:130/38
Southern Crossroads, Dallas TX 1:124/4115
The Gas Company, Arlington TX 8:930/201
QE2, Austin TX 1:382/58
Last Chance TBBS,San Antonio TX 1:387/822
TSTI INFO NET, Waco TX 1:388/1000
Silver Streak RBBS,NewOrleans LA1:396/15
Ascension, Norman OK 1:147/46
AFI Comm, Nepean ON Canada 1:163/115
Ned's Opus HST Ottawa,ON Canada 1:163/211
Ned's Opus, Ottawa ON Canada 1:163/210
Ned's Opus, Ottawa ON Canada 1:163/205
Arcane BBS, Laval PQ Canada 1:167/116
But Seriously Folks,Brlngton ON 1:259/101
Information Corner, Edmonton AB 1:342/20
Zone 2
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The HEKOM Board (Netherlands) 2:286/303
Road Rnner Opus, Manchester UK 2:250/1
BBS_D.C.V.V., Maaseik (Belgium) 2:295/26
QBBS_H.S.P., Miskom (Belgium) 2:295/33
Blumenkistl, Vienna (Austria) 2:310/10
M.U.G. Info Board,Essen FRG 2:245/1
File Fabrik, Werdohl FRG 2:245/2
BitMaster BBS, Bielefeld, FRG 2:245/23
E.I.S.2, Frankfurt FRG 2:247/14
MIDI-Mailbox,Meerbusch FRG 2:247/816
Data City, Moenchengladbach FRG 2:247/801
Median, Berlin FRG 2:242/36
Radio Kaos M-O,Duisburg FRG 2:507/1
AVALON BBS, Roethenbach FRG 2:507/432
Andi's BBS, Haan FRG 2:244/10
MICS Lucerne BBS,Lucerne SUI 2:302/563
Genova 2000, Genova Italy 2:332/201
FidoNews 7-43 Page 5 22 Oct 1990
Capital City BBS,Haninge Sweden 2:201/211
Zone 3
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Marwick's MadHouse (Australia) 3:640/820
Sentry Lane Cove NSW(Australia) 3:711/401
Sentry's Shadow, Lane Cove NSW 3:711/501
FrontDoor Hdqrtrs,Melbourne Aust3:632/308
Central Source ICBS(Australia) 3:632/348
Southern Mail CBCS Vict Aust 3:633/320
COMPUlink, Perth WA 3:690/628
Phone Box,Inglewood S Australia 3:681/854
TAIC Maximus Kowloon(Hong Kong) 3:700/1
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FidoNews 7-43 Page 6 22 Oct 1990
General Elections in Zone 4
Elecciones Generales en la Zona 4
Eleicoes Gerais na Zona 4
List of Candidates for the November 9th
Democratic Elections in FidoNet Zone 4, Latin America
This list includes the names of the FidoNet members in Zone 4
that have manifested interest in becoming Network, Region or Zone
coordinators.
All the members of the Zone were entitled to present themselves
as candidates, and will now elect before November 9th, the
NC for their respective networks, the RC for their respective
Regions and the ZC for the Zone.
Domain Candidates
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Net 801 Rodrigo Martinez
Net 802 Lauro Henrique
Net 806 Otto Brito
Net 808 Clovis Lacerda
Net 900 Alejandro Hopkins
Sunchie Yang
Net 901 Gonzalo Borracer
Region 80 Charles Miranda
Region 90 Billy Coen
Gustavo Zacarias
Zone 4 Pablo Kleinman
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This list of candidates is published on the LATIN.SYSOP echo
and on FidoNews. The list of the newly elected coordinators
will be published on November 11th on LATIN.SYSOP and on
November 12th on FidoNews.
Elecciones (4:4/444)
October 21, 1990
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FidoNews 7-43 Page 7 22 Oct 1990
David Rice,
The Astro-Net 1:103/903
Node #9, PDN (Pagan Distribution Network)
The Day Idol Worship Became Law
Or
Totalitarianism For Fun And The Prophets
Well, first off we get the excellent article by Steve
Watsky in the 7-40 issue of FidoNews. While I was mildly
surprised to see an article concerning the reproductive
rights issue in this media, I applaud the editor's decision
to include it here. After carefully reading the article, I
sat back, held my breath (as it were), and waited for the
fecal matter to hit the air vent.
Mercifully, things didn't turn out that badly.
The first chunk of waste matter wasn't as vitriolic as
I was expecting. I had expected to see rants by the
anti-choice gallery objecting to the comic, acerbic wit the
author used to portray the "pro-life" fraction. I had
expected the pro-choice gallery to leap to the cause and
elaborate zealously the need for legal, SAFE abortion.
Instead, I was somewhat pleasantly surprised to see, in
issue 7-42, only (so far?) the question put by Fredric
Rice, "Do we need this crap in FidoNews?"
My answer is, "Well, uh, yes."
First it should be pointed out that ALL communication
is political and manipulative to some degree, and to
believe that FidoNews should not be, or even CAN be, isn't
very realistic. Granted some articles are much more
political than others (SEA vs PK, Ecology And Green
Politics vs Industry, ARC vs LZH, and now Reproductive
Freedom vs Totalitarianism Terrorists), FidoNews still is A
Good Thing, and at present I for one see no requirement to
change it.
Second, what the editor says, goes. Any editor is in
some sense a dictator, benign or malevolent, depending on
how close the deadline is, and how much vodka is in her or
his blood stream--- in simple words: Don't like it? Sorry,
don't bother reading FidoNews then. The current editorial
policy works.
FidoNews 7-43 Page 8 22 Oct 1990
Third is The Exceptions. The last thing we, presumably,
wish to see in FidoNews is a dozen PACs (Political Action
Committees) hashing out grievances, exchanging rants.
Mercifully, that hasn't happened yet. I consider it highly
doubtful it will be allowed (let's hope?). If this happens,
I won't request or demand a change of policy--- I'll just
stop reading FidoNews.
That's my opinion. Thank current policy I was allowed
to express it here.
As to the REAL (?) question involved, was the article
under debate appropriate for this media?
You bet! (Duck--- here comes that rant I promised.)
Watsky's article provided a brief window on the
reproductive rights issue that many seldom look into-- the
window that shows how the legislative process has been
perverted and subverted by special interest groups, (in
this case religious extremists, The Faithful, and the Well
Intentioned on the anti-choice terrorists side, the
Feminist extremists and Well Informed on the pro-choice
reproductive freedom side). Pull a string here, throw some
mud there, punch a face in now and then. . . all on network
news.
That's entertainment!
It should also make you damn mad.
At this very minute there are special interest groups
lobbying and raising money for the right to force YOUR kids
to pray in school (The Right, Honorable Jesse Helms for
one. The god he most prefers happens to be Jehovah). How
about if I dictate which idol your child worships in
school?
Special interest groups are fighting "sex education"
(i.e. information on the mechanics of fornication) and
birth control. "If you don't talk about it, they won't know
anything about it and therefore won't do it." the argument
goes. Oh, really?
And of course, abortion. The anti-choice demand that
every zygote and foetus must be carried to full term,
wanted or not, healthy or not. (And after birth, food,
clothing, shelter, and loving care are all optional, as far
as they are concerned.) "Make it illegal, and it will go
away." the argument goes. Oh, really? Consider:
FidoNews 7-43 Page 9 22 Oct 1990
"Estimates of the annual number of deaths due
to abortion complications range from 155,000
to 204,000 women worldwide. Abortion related
deaths are especially common among poor and
illiterate women living in countries with
strict abortion laws. In Latin American,
where legal abortion is generally restricted
to cases of rape or endangerment of the
woman's life, up to half of material deaths
appear to be due to illegal abortions."
Quoted from the FemEch, out of context, from
"State of the World, 1988", A Worldwatch
Institute Report.
Cults dictate policy in YOUR legislature. Certainly
something worth reading about, and perhaps doing something
about.
D. Rice, supporter of
Orange County Pro-Choice Coalition
National Organization of Women
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FidoNews 7-43 Page 10 22 Oct 1990
By Randy Edwards
Sysop: Socialism OnLine!, 1:141/552
I read with interest Frederic Rice's article in FidoNews
7-42 about whether we should or should not print everything in
the FidoNews. As Frederic pointed out, it's an old debate.
It's true, the article in question, one long article about
someone's views on abortion, was not remotely related to BBSing,
the FidoNet, or even computers in general. Myself, I didn't
read it until I read Frederic's article. Personally I am
pro-choice, as it seems the majority of the U.S. population
is, and therefore I disagreed with most everything the
article tried to point out. In my opinion, I don't want to
read about abortion in the FidoNews, after all, I get enough
of that anti-choice crap from Republican politicians and from
far-right religious groups. But that's beside the point.
The main point here is whether we should change the
time-honored editorial policy of the FidoNews from a "you write
it and I'll print it" basis to one of "you write it and I'll
think about printing it."
I have several concerns about changing the editorial policy.
First and foremost, let's face it, the FidoNews editor is not
chosen by the network, s/he's chosen by a process where the
input by the net at large is limited, if not closed entirely.
If the editor was chosen by some democratic means by the entire
network we would have some input in case we ever run across a
"bad" editor. But as policy now stands, the "ruling clique" of
the net choses the editor. With the FidoNews editorial policy
now, we could stand a "bad" editor -- there wouldn't be much
s/he could do. With an editorial policy change a "bad" editor
could spell disaster and endless flaming controversy.
With an editorial policy change there will always be the
specter of censorship rearing its ugly head. I'm not talking
about the censorship of an article that may be libelous, but I'm
talking about censoring someone's views because they're not
liked, or that they may be considered "too far outside the
mainstream" of thought.
We see this in our own mass media, where editors "limit"
the range of debate on various topics. Would "Mikey" (for those
who remember him) or someone who is presenting very
controversial or critical views of FidoNet policy be prevented
from writing in the FidoNews? With a change of editorial policy
that could possibly happen, not matter how well-intentioned the
change may be.
The policy as it stands now has worked pretty well over the
years. Agreed, we sometimes do get some "trash" (depending, of
course, on your definition of trash; one person's trash is
another person's treasure). But so what. At least we're not
distributing an empty newsletter. The argument of distributing
a large newsletter because of the size of an occasional "trash"
FidoNews 7-43 Page 11 22 Oct 1990
article is weak, in my humble opinion. How long did we transfer
extra bytes because we refused to change archive programs? The
size in question is small, rarely will the "trash" articles be
over a minute's connect time, so the cost argument is a bit
weak, I think.
I also think it's nice to have those off-topic "trash"
articles sometimes. They tend to remind us that there is a life
outside of BBSing and sometimes they're pretty neat. Recently I
read an article about some experimental language and one
person's interest in it. I thought it was interesting enough so
I spent a 15-cent postcard to request more information on the
language. I doubt I would have heard about the language if it
had not been in the FidoNews.
There's a trick to dealing with articles that you consider
trash. After you read the first couple of sentences -- and
realize it's trash -- you can hit the PgDn key a couple of times
and you'll never be bothered by that article again. It works
like a charm on those rare articles that aren't worth reading,
believe me...
The bottom line: the editorial policy has worked pretty
darn well for years. It ensures a minimum amount of
interference (and work) by the editor, and it also ensures that
everyone's views can get into the FidoNews. Leave it as it is.
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FidoNews 7-43 Page 12 22 Oct 1990
Dallas and Ardith Hinton
1:153/715
Survivors' Forum
This echo is now available on the Backbone and is
intended for people interested in cancer, leukemia, blood
disorders, and related subjects including immune
suppression, learning disabilities, and special needs
children. The emphasis of the echo is on (but is not
restricted to) pediatric oncology and hematology. Topics in
the echo include book reviews, notices of special events,
information exchange and chit-chat.
SURVIVOR originates from a family need to understand
more about leukemia and is intended as a support network for
those whose lives have been touched by serious or chronic
illness, regardless of their location. Those in the helping
professions may also find it useful.
A basic premise of the echo is that the body and the
mind are interdependent. Pseudonyms are permitted, and
no-one will be excluded or included on the basis of their
chosen therapy. We welcome your participation and hope to
see you there.
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FidoNews 7-43 Page 13 22 Oct 1990
Al Saveriano
FidoNet 1:269/205
The State of the Universe
I realized, a long time ago, that the reason I never got my
wonton soup at the Chinese restaurant, was because of the way I
ordered it, coupled with the little known fact that the Chinese
read from right to left. The waiter would say to me "Would like
any soup, sir?". And I'd always answer "Wonton". Well, it's
obvious to me that since wonton spelled backwards is "not_now",
there was no way I was ever going to get my soup.
However, this not the only weirdness that encompasses our globe.
And speaking of weird, my younger daughter asked me what the
little nursery rhyme was about "i before e etc. etc.". I told
her it went - "i before e, except after c, when sounding like a,
as in neighbor and weigh". So she wrote me this little sentence:
"Thanks Daddy. That sure is a WIERD little rhyme!". Hmmm......
So obvious.
But enough of these matters. It is time to address the heart of
the problem. You know we must. No option here. Sticking our
collectives heads in the parabola simply will not cut it. It is
so obvious that weird wonton soup can not be blamed for the
absence of 8-bit wheat toast. It can not be the cause for my
name to appear on the mailing list of "Incurably Strange"
magazine. Nay. A plot to be sure. One of the magnitude to rival
even that of the great Game_Boy scandal of '88. It's obvious.
Just look at the facts. Eight is half of sixteen and sixteen is
half of thirty-two. Do you think this is a coincidence? With the
infinite number of numbers (number of numbers???) that exist,
what were the chances of this occurring due to blind chance?
(Blind Faith - Stevie Winwood et al. Circa 1969). Let us
calculate so that the skeptics among you may become believers.
If one takes the first derivative of the numerator and divides
it by the second derivative of the denominator ..umm..well, it
is difficult to show it here. I wish I could type out the actual
formula. But that is why the Greek civilization could not
sustain itself as a world power. They couldn't get those silly
little Greek letters onto a keyboard! And that, obviously, lead
to the vicious attack on Molly Pitcher and started the entire
world oil crisis. But I digress. The real issue remains at hand.
Therefore, I expect to hear numerous pros and cons with regard
to my brilliant but somewhat unorthodox analysis of the state of
the universe. But I assume you've been expecting this for
sometime now. You have? To bad, because when you assume you make
an ASS out of U and ME. (Odd Couple - Felix Unger - circa 1972).
FidoNews 7-43 Page 14 22 Oct 1990
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COLUMNS
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Henry Clark
124/6120
The Starshoot Company --
Kevin and I like to stand in the middle of the Marine Drum and
Bugle Corp., cause it's real loud, and they can't stop to shoo
us away. One of the highlights of the State Fair of Texas.
We like to shoot the machine pellet gun and knock the red star
out of the paper. This weeks column is sort of like those
games.
I ordered them June 11, but still no V.42 ROMS. I know, but
I'm tired of calling them and hearing the two more weeks story.
My personal copier cartridge finally ran out. It's been 3
years and 3 months.
Sure, I use Supercalc. I like to enter A1 instead of +A1, and
SUM() instead of @SUM(). Supercalc has the /1 command to give
you 123 menus ( with the added /S command to get back ). You
won't see Lotus suing Computer Associates, though.
CA is bigger, for one.
One more broken Window : In last weeks section entitled
Mini-Blinds I forgot to remind you that without Mini-Blinds, it
would be curtains for us all ! I know, it's Pane-ful.
CORRECTION : In last weeks column I said our region's policy
vote was about echomail. Well, I errored, so SUE ME, OK. The
policies were about election methods for RC and REC. It's that
same old arguement about the **C structure only vote versus
the all sysops vote. My psychiatrist gets richer.
Kevin really wants to throw the dart. You know, the dollar for
one dart, hit the balloon and win a prize. Well, he hit the
balloon and the lady gives him a micro-batting-helmet, a little
plastic hat about three inches across. He's got this big grin,
like "Ha, I won." Then he tries to get me to carry it, and I
start laughing, which he immediately understands as 'Oh, I
lost.'
Carbon Based Units Infest Enterprise --
In next week's all new episode, Capt. Picard contemplates the
use of force.
FidoNews 7-43 Page 16 22 Oct 1990
Shoppers Guide
Norton 5.0 ................... $ 79.95
Norton 4.5 ................... $ 695.95
(Cheap shot, I know... I still feel cheated.)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, heroes in a half-shell,
TURTLE POWER ! I've permanently lost 12k of my brain.
Comdex Las Vegas Hospitality Room :
Liquor in the front,
Poker in the rear.
Hey,Iwantoneofthosespacesaverkeyboards,too!
I like to get the 25-pin ribbon cable and put a male and a
female 25-pin connector on each end. Radio Shack has the parts
and it was 8:30 at night, so I run over there. I get to the
counter and he asks for the last four digits of my phone
number. "It's the customer ID for our computer", he says.
"0000" says I. He's clearly angry. So I give him the modem's
numbers. No sense of humor. Then he asks for my name. I
said, "I don't want your catalogs, how much for THIS stuff."
Now he's really unhappy. These guys must be paid by the
data entry keystroke.
Steve Martin in The Jerk ...
"Step right up and win some crap."
The House of Mirrors --
I bought a 'Learn Danish' set of tapes to listen to in the
car. I know a lot of words, but I'm terrible at making
sentences. On the tape, they say 'Vaer saa venlig' before
everything. That's supposed to be Danish for please. I'd
guess the tapes are 50 years old, except that they didn't
make cassettes back then. Danes always make a request and
end it with thanks. The funniest thing on the tape is the
line 'Please carry my bags to the taxi.' These people have
never been to Denmark. We're all going for Christmas.
So Kevin tries the House of Mirrors, and takes 10 minutes to
find his way through and up the stairs to the slide. Yep, its
the $1.50 slide ride. After about 5 minutes he comes back
through the mirrors, out the entrance and says, "That's the
wrong slide."
FidoNews 7-43 Page 17 22 Oct 1990
He's right, of course.
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FidoNews 7-43 Page 18 22 Oct 1990
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LATEST VERSIONS
=================================================================
Latest Software Versions
MS-DOS Systems
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Bulletin Board Software
Name Version Name Version Name Version
DMG 2.93 Phoenix 1.3 TAG 2.5g*
Fido 12s+ QuickBBS 2.64 TBBS 2.1
Lynx 1.30 RBBS 17.3A TComm/TCommNet 3.4
Kitten 2.16 RBBSmail 17.3B* Telegard 2.5
Maximus 1.02* RemoteAccess 0.04a* TPBoard 6.1
Opus 1.13+ SLBBS 1.77* Wildcat! 2.15
PCBoard 14.5* Socrates 1.00 XBBS 1.15
Network Node List Other
Mailers Version Utilities Version Utilities Version
BinkleyTerm 2.40* EditNL 4.00 ARC 7.0*
D'Bridge 1.30 MakeNL 2.31 ARCAsim 2.30
Dutchie 2.90C ParseList 1.30 ARCmail 2.07
FrontDoor 1.99c* Prune 1.40 ConfMail 4.00
PRENM 1.47 SysNL 3.14* Crossnet v1.5
SEAdog 4.51b XlatList 2.90 EMM 2.02
TIMS 1.0(Mod8)* XlaxDiff 2.35 Gmail 2.05
XlaxNode 2.35 GROUP 2.16
GUS 1.30
HeadEdit 1.15
InterPCB 1.31*
LHARC 1.13
MSG 4.1
MSGED 2.00*
MSGTOSS 1.3*
PK[UN]ZIP 1.10
QM 1.0
QSORT 4.03
Sirius 1.0x
SLMAIL 1.36*
StarLink 1.01
TagMail 2.40
TCOMMail 2.2
Telemail 1.27*
TMail 1.15
TPBNetEd 3.2
TosScan 1.00
UFGATE 1.03
FidoNews 7-43 Page 19 22 Oct 1990
XRS 3.40
XST 2.2
ZmailQ 1.12*
OS/2 Systems
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
Maximus-CBCS 1.02* BinkleyTerm 2.40* Parselst 1.31
ConfMail 4.00
VP2 4.07*
oMMM 1.52
MsgEd 2.00*
LH2 0.50
PK[UN]ZIP 1.02
ARC2 6.00
Xenix/Unix
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BBS Software Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
MaximusCBCS 1.02.Unix.B0 BinkleyTerm 2.30b* Unzip 3.10
ARC 5.21
ParseLst 1.30b
ConfMail 3.31b
Ommm 1.40b
Msged 1.99b
Zoo 2.01
C-Lharc 1.00
Omail 1.00b
Apple CP/M
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
Daisy v2j Daisy Mailer 0.38 Nodecomp 0.37
MsgUtil 2.5
PackUser v4
Filer v2-D
FidoNews 7-43 Page 20 22 Oct 1990
UNARC.COM 1.20
Macintosh
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
Red Ryder Host v2.1b10 Tabby 2.2 MacArc 0.04
Mansion 7.15 Copernicus 1.0d* ArcMac 1.3
WWIV (Mac) 3.0 StuffIt 1.6b1*
FBBS 0.91* TImport 1.331
Hermes 0.88* TExport 1.32
Timestamp 1.6
Tset 1.3
Import 3.2
Export 3.21
Sundial 3.2
PreStamp 3.2
OriginatorII 2.0
AreaFix 1.6
Mantissa 3.21
Zenith 1.5
UNZIP 1.02b
Amiga
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
Paragon 2.07+ BinkleyTerm 1.00 AmigArc 0.23
TrapDoor 1.50* AReceipt 1.5*
WelMat 0.42 booz 1.01
ConfMail 1.10
ChameleonEdit 0.10
ElectricHerald1.66*
Lharc 1.21
MessageFilter 1.52*
oMMM 1.49b
ParseLst 1.30
PkAX 1.00
PK[UN]ZIP 1.01
PolyxAmy 2.02*
RMB 1.30
TrapList 1.12*
UNzip 0.86
Yuck! 1.61*
FidoNews 7-43 Page 21 22 Oct 1990
Zoo 2.01
Atari ST
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailer Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
FIDOdoor/ST 1.5c* BinkleyTerm 2.40* ConfMail 1.00
Pandora BBS 2.41c The BOX 1.20 ParseList 1.30
QuickBBS/ST 0.40 ARC 6.02
GS Point 0.61 FiFo 2.0b*
LHARC 0.60
Lharc 1.13
LED ST 0.10*
BYE 0.25*
PKUNZIP 1.10
MSGED 1.96S
SRENUM 6.2
Trenum 0.10
OMMM 1.40
Archimedes
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BBS Software Mailers Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
ARCbbs 1.44* BinkleyTerm 2.03* Unzip 2.1TH
ARC 1.03
!Spark 2.00d*
ParseLst 1.30
BatchPacker 1.00*
+ Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
* Recently changed
Utility authors: Please help keep this list up to date by
reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our intent to list
all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.
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FidoNews 7-43 Page 22 22 Oct 1990
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NOTICES
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The Interrupt Stack
4 Nov 1990
Area Code 214 fragments. Part will become area code 903.
6 Nov 1990
First anniversary of Van Diepen Automatiseert, 2:500/28
13 Nov 1990
Third anniversary of Fidonet in Austria (zone 2, region 31).
14 Nov 1990
Marco Maccaferri's 21rd Birthday. Send greetings to him at
2:332/16.0
16 Nov 1990
100% Democratically elected administration takes over the
coordination structure in Zone-4 Latin America
1 Jan 1991
Implementation of 7% Goods and Services Tax in Canada. Contact
Joe Lindstrom at 1:134/55 for a more colorful description.
16 Feb 1991
Fifth anniversary of the introduction of Echomail, by Jeff Rush.
12 May 1991
Fourth anniversary of FidoNet operations in Latin America and
second anniversary of the creation of Zone-4.
8 Sep 1991
25th anniversary of first airing of Star Trek on NBC!
7 Oct 1991
Area code 415 fragments. Alameda and Contra Costa Counties
will begin using area code 510. This includes Oakland,
Concord, Berkeley and Hayward. San Francisco, San Mateo,
Marin, parts of Santa Clara County, and the San Francisco Bay
Islands will retain area code 415.
1 Feb 1992
Area code 213 fragments. Western, coastal, southern and
eastern portions of Los Angeles County will begin using area
code 310. This includes Los Angeles International Airport,
West Los Angeles, San Pedro and Whittier. Downtown Los
Angeles and surrounding communities (such as Hollywood and
FidoNews 7-43 Page 23 22 Oct 1990
Montebello) will retain area code 213.
1 Dec 1993
Tenth anniversary of Fido Version 1 release.
5 Jun 1997
David Dodell's 40th Birthday
If you have something which you would like to see on this
calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.
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Remember Campers!!!
To send mail from an Internet site or smart UUCP Site TO a user
that calls a Fido-Net system.
You need to know the name of the person and node number of the
Fido-Net system that the person uses.
The address of a FidoNode looks like this: 1:105/302.0. Usually
the 1: and .0 are left off, but they are there by default. (In
Europe it is 2: and in the Pacific Basin it is 3:.) That
address can be translated as "Zone 1, Net 105, FidoNode 302,
Point 0." or p0.f302.n105.z1. Add the FidoNet domain of
.fidonet.org to the end of that, chop off the p0 (it is again,
a default) and you have f302.n105.z1.fidonet.org - the "Fully
Qualified Domain Name" of a FidoNode. Another example is
1:105/4.3 which would be written as p3.f4.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(since there is a point number other than 0, we have to specify
it). Note also that we are only using zone 1. This will also
work for zones 2 and 3, just use z2 or z3 as appropriate.
FidoNet uses full names of the callers. Multi-part name folks
(eg. First Last, ie. "Dale Weber") will have a period '.'
seperating their names. So, lets say you wanted to send mail
to Dale Weber at 1:105/55.0, you would address your letter to:
Dale.Weber@f55.n105.z1.fidonet.org.
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