[comp.sources.misc] v06INF1: Welcome to comp.sources.misc!

allbery@uunet.UU.NET (Brandon S. Allbery - comp.sources.misc) (01/18/89)

[THIS IS IT!!!  comp.sources.misc is now officially on UUNET.  The alias
changes will be sent out to the backbone sites ASAP.  !!!PLEASE!!! stop sending
comp.sources.misc-related mail to me on ncoast!  ++bsa]

This is the first of two messages comprising the monthly Info posting for
comp.sources.misc.  Hopefully, any questions you have will be answered here;
if they are not, send mail to me (comp-sources-misc-request@<backbone>), the
moderator.

This message is the Welcome! document, which describes my policies and
commitments.  The second part of this posting is the Index for the newsgroup;
archive requests are best handled by specifying the Archive-Name or
volume/issue number for the posting, or alternatively my Message-ID.  Please
do NOT use the article number within the newsgroup:  this varies based on lost
messages or articles received out of sequence, and is purely local.

> Introduction <

Comp.sources.misc is sort of a "catch-all" sources group.  The intent is that
small sources, non-Un*x sources for which no newsgroup exists, and sources
which the moderators of comp.sources.unix and comp.sources.games will not
accept can be sent here.  This does not mean that large Un*x sources will not
be accepted, but they will probably gain a wider distribution if they are
sent to comp.sources.unix.  They also slow down the flow of sources through
this newsgroup, as they are processed and posted separately.

As a result, the group will be run in an informal fashion.  In general,
*any* program source code will be accepted, but discussion will be routed to
comp.sources.d and "sources wanted" requests to comp.sources.wanted, rather
than cluttering this newsgroup.  (Please do not send either to me, they don't
belong here.)

This newsgroup isn't expected to be a high-volume one, since the "big" stuff
should be sent elsewhere.  However, it is to be hoped that people still have
the desire to post their favorite prompt generators, integer square root
algorithms, etc.  (If the last days of net.sources are any indication, they
do.)

> Why moderated? <

The moderated comp.sources.misc replaced the unmoderated net.sources in May
1987.  This was done by the Usenet backbone in response to the observed fact
that net.sources was largely NON-sources by number of articles.  Mail I have
received indicates that the majority of people are willing to trade the
small delays (mainly caused by network delays in mail) for having a source
group that isn't full of noise.

As stated above, the only reason a submission will be rejected is if it is
a non-source.  I, as the moderator, am striving to get things out as quickly
as possible while not posting non-sources; testing is not done.  If it's
something that's worth testing, it probably belongs in comp.sources.unix
instead.  (Send submissions to comp-sources-unix@<backbone> in that case.)

> What sources are posted here? <

I will post directly any sources:  little stuff like "my favorite dice-roll
program" or etc., non-Un*x sources, as well as the standard stuff.  In
particular, I have made arrangements to handle VMS sources, and I have a
program to create VMS DCL "shar" files.  (I do *not* have a way of testing
them, since I don't have access to any VMS sites.)

Please consider sending larger postings to comp.sources.unix, and games to
comp.sources.games.  Large Un*x sources are tested, insofar as it is possible
for me to do so; I now have access to Xenix V, System V release 3.1, and
Dynix 3.0, so hopefully it will be possible.  However, doing so is rather
difficult and will encompass major delays in posting.  It also slows down the
posting of the smaller sources that are the "meat" of the newsgroup.

Shareware and copyrighted sources are NOT welcome in comp.sources.unix.  I
regret this, since it makes my life harder as the moderator who accepts
everything; I must arrange to test them and post them, as described above.
Still, they *do* at least see the light of day eventually.  (It may be
preferable to send these and other sources to the unmoderated group alt.sources
in the original "alt" hierarchy [see the "Alternative Newsgroup Hierarchies"
document in news.groups].  Be warned, however, that the "alt" subnet does not
yet have as complete a distribution as the mainstream Usenet.)

> Guidelines for fast processing of submissions <

The readers of this newsgroup would prefer that posters follow certain
guidelines.  Not following these guidelines may result in long delays, since
some things *must* be fixed for news to accept the submission, and others fixed
so that I can spend time processing submissions rather than responding to
flames.  ;-)

* Do NOT send me uuencoded "arc" files, even of sources.  Now that this news-
  group is on UUNET, this is an imperative; UUNET doesn't appear to have a UNIX
  ARC program.

* Please use "shar", "cshar", "bundle", etc. to package files.  Preferably,
  use cshar or mkshar:  these guard against mangling by older news programs,
  Bitnet mailers, etc.  I must repack non-shar'ed submissions so that they
  have a better chance of surviving older mail/news systems and inter-network
  interfaces to Bitnet, etc.

* PLEASE INCLUDE A Subject: HEADER!!!  Certain large postings (e.g. uEmacs)
  arrived at ncoast sans Subject: line; this requires me to edit the messages
  and add subject lines for both inews and the archive list.

* Please do not address submissions to ncoast!allbery; comp.sources.misc no
  longer lives on ncoast, so your submissions will have to be forwarded --
  which causes additional delays, as I have to strip the forwarding from the
  messages manually on UUNET (I can't run my message preprocessor here).

* The proper submission address for ANY moderated newsgroup is of the form:

			newsgroup-name@backbone-site

  The newsgroup name uses hyphens as separators, not periods (sendmail does
  not appreciate the periods); "comp-sources-misc" is an example.  Backbone
  sites are the major news feeds (excepting att.att.com, which does not pass
  mail) which serve large areas.  (No, ncoast isn't one.  Uunet is.)  Be
  warned that some backbone sites may use "sources-misc" instead of
  "comp-sources-misc"; there was some confusion about it at the inception of
  comp.sources.misc.

  Newsgroup-related mail that is *not* a submission should be sent to the
  same address as above, with "-request" added to the newsgroup name; for
  example, "comp-sources-misc-request@uunet.uu.net".  Please do not send
  them to the submission address *or* to any of my mailboxes.

  Please do NOT send sources to *any* of my regular mailboxes.  This will
  cause possibly long delays while I reroute the mail to the proper address
  (which may well be on another machine).  Note that since ncoast's free disk
  space is never large, it is possible for large submissions sent to my
  mailbox on ncoast to be lost along with any other submissions or ordinary
  news and mail traffic.

* Please do not package binaries and sources in the same submission.  Since
  I must send out the binaries separately, this results in a delay while I
  break apart the shar and rebuild it, then resubmit the binaries separately.

* One way to solve the problem of an announcement not going out the same day
  as the posting it announces:  send the announcement to me UNDER SEPARATE
  COVER (see the previous guideline) with instructions as to where it should
  be posted, and I will insure that both go out the same day.  The same goes
  for binaries and/or other material associated with a source; send it under
  separate cover and tell me what to do with it.

> Archiving <

Alas, ncoast is cramped for space, so I cannot do archiving.  And UUNET turns
out not to be much better (sigh).  I do, however, add archive headers to
posted submissions, suitable for manual or automatic archiving and archive
retrieval.  The archive Index is posted each month as part of the Welcome!
posting.

The format of the archive header is:

	Comp.sources.misc: Volume 2, Issue 45		for submissions, and
	Comp.sources.misc: Volume 2, Administrivia 2	for administrivia.

Each posting also has an Archive-Name, which is a single word of (generally)
6-8 letters which tries to be somewhat descriptive.  You may want to use this
instead of the volume/issue number.

> The Oz Connection <

As with the other moderated sources groups, Australia has a sub-moderator to
handle the local load; this reduces bills and increases both speed and the
chances of your submission actually making it out onto the net.  The sub-
moderator is john@basser.cs.su.oz.au.

> Other Information <

The list of archive sites is included with the Index, in the next posting.

> Policy Changes <

Most of these have been discussed above, but I'm laying them out here for
easy reference.

* Submissions not packaged with "shar" will be detained until I can wrap them
  up with a suitable "shar" program.  This can be a significant delay if I'm
  busy.

* Large sources WILL be tested, insofar as I am capable of doing so.  (It
  would not have been possible for me to test JetRoff, as I don't have access
  to ditroff and only occasional access to a LaserJet [and no time for non-
  business work when I *do* have access to it].)  Programs that depend on
  X Windows, a Sun console, etc. can't even be compiled by me.  Again, please
  try comp.sources.unix first!

* I now have a way of insuring unique archive names.  I haven't fed the list
  of old archive-names to it yet, so there may be a few duplications in the
  next volume -- although I'll do my best to avoid them.

* Sending submissions to my mailboxes on ncoast, uunet, or elsewhere is NOT
  a good, fast, or even safe way to get them posted.  PLEASE use the correct
  address as shown above.

++Brandon, your friendly neighborhood comp.sources.misc moderator.