[comp.protocols.tcp-ip] off RIP packet

hedrick@TOPAZ.RUTGERS.EDU.UUCP (05/06/87)

Our Arpanet gateway, 10.1.0.89, is receiving RIP (Unix routed) packets
from 26.12.0.122.  This seems to have started yesterday.  Initially,
the packets caused our routing tables to get into a loop.  However I
have now fixed things so that we ignore them.  But does anybody know
what is going on?  We are still receving them.  I sent something to
root at that site and haven't yet gotten an answer.  The site seems to
be using the Wollongong System V TCP/IP implementation.  It is
possible that the packets are arriving via either Arpanet or NSFnet.
However a packet watch on the NSFnet side suggests that they are not
coming that way.  (Unfortunately I have no way to do packet watches on
the Arpanet side.)

Normally RIP packets are broadcast on all connected Ethernet
interfaces.  I thought the Arpanet didn't do broadcasting, and that
broadcasts certainly wouldn't go through the "mail bridges" between 26
and 10.  Am I wrong?

swb@DEVVAX.TN.CORNELL.EDU.UUCP (05/07/87)

When we first put together the gatedaemon we discovered people sending
RIP packets point-to-point over Arpanet and Milnet.  I believe they
were EGPing with a core gateway or two, and *in addition* sending
point-to-point RIP packets to all of the thus-discovered external
gateways, just to be sure packets to them would not go through an
extra hop.
						Scott

karels%okeeffe@UCBVAX.BERKELEY.EDU.UUCP (05/08/87)

Your friend at 26.12.0.122 has added you to his list of external routed
gateways.  This is obviously nonsensical as you don't share a net.
I can't understand how this got your routing into a loop, as any routes
derived from him should be rejected (that address isn't reachable as
a next-hop gateway).

		Mike

WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA (05/08/87)

Chuck,

The route daemon, routed, was experimentally turned on, eventually
discovered to be a mistake, and since turned off.  They were coming
from an Ethernet host on the other side of an Ethernet-to-X.25 IP
router connected to 26.12.0.122.  The host, an AT&T 3B5, does indeed
run AT&T SYS V Release 2.0.1 with the Wollongong TCP/IP.

The reason you did not receive a direct reply is the reason that
routed was turned on in the first place.  It was thought that routed
would solve the startup overhead of having to process route add
commands for every gateway in the world.  There obviously must be a
better way - it's only because there's no definitive instructions that
trial-and-error was used.  If you know the correct way to solve the
problem, please let me know, and I'll pass the word.

--Frank