warren@pluto.UUCP (Warren Burstein) (07/27/87)
I asked my boss to order TCP/IP from Wollongong for a 3B2 and he came back and told me they stopped selling it because too many people were ripping it off and they won't sell it until they come up with a way to keep it from being stolen. If anyone out there is from Wollongong - I do not use copy protected software, so I'm not going to buy it when you do figure out what to do. Even if you do something harmless, I still will have found another vendor by the time you get your act together. -- /|/~\~~\ The entire world Warren Burstein |__/__/_/ is a very strange carrot. | But the farmer philabs!tg!pluto!warren / is not afraid at all. Why doesn't life come with subtitles?
warren@pluto.UUCP (Warren Burstein) (07/28/87)
In article <443@pluto.UUCP> warren@pluto.UUCP (Warren Burstein) writes: : :I asked my boss to order TCP/IP from Wollongong for a 3B2 and he came :back and told me they stopped selling it because too many people were :ripping it off and they won't sell it until they come up with a way to :keep it from being stolen. I posted this yesterday and today I got a phone call from Wollongong. It seems that ATT has the exclusive to sell this product, and I got a contact to find out what the problem is with the ATT side. Sorry for the misinformation. -- /|/~\~~\ The entire world Warren Burstein |__/__/_/ is a very strange carrot. | But the farmer philabs!tg!pluto!warren / is not afraid at all. Why doesn't life come with subtitles?
LYNCH@A.ISI.EDU (Dan Lynch) (07/30/87)
Bashing Wollongong is probably more fun now that they are on the Internet now and we know they see these flames. But, Burstein's message really puzzles me. If Wollongong's stuff is so bad, why is everyone stealing it? Dan -------
schoff@NIC.NYSER.NET (Marty Schoffstall) (07/31/87)
Dan, I personally haven't heard of anyone stealing it, (that message really took me by surprise), but I'd propose that the reason why people might "steal" tcp/ip it is that it is CURRENTLY the only game in town. AT&T donated thousands of 3b machines to the universities, (RPI has almost 30 of them), stealing the networking software puts it in the "matching" price range of the hardware itself. What may happen as soon as the "public domain" implementations are available is what has happened with VMS tcpip networking in the past (and accelerating right now), either you don't buy a TWG product at all or you buy one for "stability" sake and run TEK/CMU/TCP everywhere else. Marty PS: RPI told AT&T that we HAD to have tcp/ip and ethernet on ours or we simply wouldn't use them, AT&T delivered tcp/ip. From my discussions with others who took donated equipment, stances like that were rare.
ron@TOPAZ.RUTGERS.EDU (Ron Natalie) (07/31/87)
The TWG code for the 3B2 comes from AT&T. I wasn't aware you could buy it at all from TWG (I wish I were wrong, I'd expect that the product would be better direct). Anyhow, TWG could avoid pirating by using the same method as the SUN PCNFS code. The software shuts down if it notices datagrams from another of the same licensed code on the net. -Ron
bzs@BU-CS.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) (08/01/87)
From: Marty Schoffstall <schoff@nic.nyser.net> >PS: RPI told AT&T that we HAD to have tcp/ip and ethernet on > ours or we simply wouldn't use them, AT&T delivered > tcp/ip. From my discussions with others who took > donated equipment, stances like that were rare. Or fell on deaf ears (we waited 24 months for an ethernet board and finally just gave up.) -Barry Shein, Boston University Moderator, INFO-3B