brian@wb6rqn.UUCP (Brian Lloyd) (03/27/88)
At a recent trade show where we (Sirius Systems) announced our
implementation of TCP/IP for the Convergent Technologies workstation
product line I was surprised at the level of interest exhibited by the
European attendees. The consensus was that OSI really wasn't happening
and that they were all planning to go the TCP/IP route. I guess that
the ISO/OSI hard-sell has created a market that only TCP can currently
fill.
Brian Lloyd, President
Sirius Systems, Inc.
(301) 540-2066
{bellcore, syscad, cp1, irs3, n3dmc}!wb6rqn!brian
Share and enjoy!LAWS@rsre.mod.UK (John Laws, on UK.MOD.RSRE) (03/28/88)
OSI is very much happening in Europe. It is true that not all the 'layers' are complete in implementation or definition. But there is just as much faith in Europe that OSI will deliver as there is faith in the US that TCP/IP etc will deliver. Any company that ignores the momentum for OSI in Europe will not be well placed for an expanding market in the early 90's. Specifically within UK MOD, UK Other Government Departments, EEC and NATO the clear policy directive is to procure systems to the OSI standards. This policy was not undertaken lightly. Yes TCP/IP is readily available in many products. Yes it is selling. It is not selling because the buyer knows or cares that its TCP etc. The buyer is buying a product and facility. The fact that many of these TCP implementations are local optimisations will restrict their effective use to local communities. The experience will educate the buyer to better understand and define his requirement if his needs are more than local. John Laws Distributed Information Systems Div RSRE Malvern UK
jh@tut.fi (Juha Hein{nen) (03/28/88)
In article <8803261505.AA04812@wb6rqn.UUCP> brian@wb6rqn.UUCP (Brian Lloyd) writes: >European attendees. The consensus was that OSI really wasn't happening >and that they were all planning to go the TCP/IP route. I guess that >the ISO/OSI hard-sell has created a market that only TCP can currently >fill. Pretty much a correct observation. The POLITICAL plan is to go the connection oriented (X.25) OSI route that doesn't care about local area networks (it only cares about the profits of PTT monopolies). So if you want to build a LAN and connect it to another LAN what else have you got except TCP/IP? -- Juha Heinanen Tampere Univ. of Technology Finland jh@tut.fi (Internet), tut!jh (UUCP)
n2dsy@hou2d.UUCP (G.BEATTIE) (04/01/88)
Summary: Listening to what you want to hear, eh ?
I think it's time to look a bit more at the ambitiousness
of the project and the FACT that they have come to fruition.
The comments shown below seem to be somewhat self-serving.
Might you gentlemen, consider that there are OSI-based
applications out there already, that the DoD is moving to
a (connectionless) form of OSI protocols and that your
talents (and mine) are being wasted by the endless exchanges
in what should now be called the "Propaganda Wars".
The simple facts are that a wide variety of companies have
implemmented OSI protocols and more are being added.
Now that the 1988 versions of the statndards documents are
out in final draft form for ballot, the growth of interest
has exploded.
Please don't tell me how many more implementations of
the DoD protocols are already out there. That is well
known and expected given the 10 year jump in their lifecycle.
Why not spend the energy in cooperating in the evolution of
these protocols to suite that will work for all of us?
Frankly I'm tired of the bickering from "educated"
individuals.
Thanks,
J. Gordon Beattie, Jr.
E-mail: ihnp4!hou2d!n2dsy (Unix) n2dsy@kd6th.a3100201.ampr
Telephone: 201-615-4168 (Office) 201-615-4669 (Office FAX)
Telephone: 201-387-8896 (Home)
The rest of this article is an excerpt from a pair of comments
that are of the type referenced above.
References: <8803261505.AA04812@wb6rqn.UUCP> <2902@korppi.tut.fi>
In article <2902@korppi.tut.fi>, jh@tut.fi (Juha Hein{nen) writes:
> In article <8803261505.AA04812@wb6rqn.UUCP> brian@wb6rqn.UUCP (Brian Lloyd) writes:
> >European attendees. The consensus was that OSI really wasn't happening
> >and that they were all planning to go the TCP/IP route. I guess that
> >the ISO/OSI hard-sell has created a market that only TCP can currently
> >fill.
>
> Pretty much a correct observation. The POLITICAL plan is to go the
> connection oriented (X.25) OSI route that doesn't care about local
> area networks (it only cares about the profits of PTT monopolies). So
> if you want to build a LAN and connect it to another LAN what else
> have you got except TCP/IP?
> --
> Juha Heinanen
> Tampere Univ. of Technology
> Finland
> jh@tut.fi (Internet), tut!jh (UUCP)