AIVANO@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU (06/02/88)
Path: venus!aivano From: aivano@venus.ycc.yale.edu Newsgroups: mail.tcp-ip Subject: Public Domain TN3270 Message-ID: <27@venus.ycc.yale.edu> Date: 1 Jun 88 14:05:48 GMT Organisation: VMS NEWS V4.0 Lines: 11 Is there a public domain TN3270 program that runs under VMS and can interface with Wollongong's TCP/IP? We would prefer to have source code so that we could write our own interface, but could live with a documented executable that includes an interface to the Wollongong TCP/IP. Please send replies directly to me, Sandy Aivano Yale Computer Center AIVANO@YALEVMS (BITNET) AIVANO@YALEVMS.YCC.YALE.EDU (ARPA)
LEICHTER@Venus.YCC.Yale.EDU ("Jerry Leichter ", LEICHTER-JERRY@CS.YALE.EDU) (08/06/88)
Path: venus!leichter From: leichter@venus.ycc.yale.edu Newsgroups: mail.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Ken Olsen on TCP/IP Message-ID: <34@venus.ycc.yale.edu> Date: 5 Aug 88 17:01:31 GMT References: <venus mail.tcp-ip:1807> Organisation: VMS NEWS V4.0 Lines: 32 In article <venus mail.tcp-ip:1807>, jqj@hogg.cc.uoregon.EDU writes: > Quoted without permission from Digital News, August 1, 1988: > > "Our attitude with TCP/IP is, 'Hey, we'll do it, but don't make a big > system, because we can't fix it if it breaks.'" > > Does this reflect a lack of confidence in the Ultrix group? The actual, full quote - from Ken Olsen - is: "Our attitude with TCP/IP is, 'Hey, we'll do it, but don't make a big system, because we can't fix it if it breaks - nobody can.'" ------------- It's generally considered unfair to quote out of context. To CHANGE the con- text - to deliberately mark something as a full sentence, with no indication that you've left out part of the text, a part which changes the mean of what came before - is bad enough. To then continue on and ask a question based on the falsely-imputed meaning is downright dishonest. Olsen goes on to clarify what he means even further: "TCP/IP is OK if you've got a little informal club, and it doesn't make any difference if it takes a while to fix it." Now, you can disagree with this statement - probably most of the readers of this list WILL disagree, though perhaps not all. But there's a world of difference between disagreeing on the merits, and the intellectual dishonesty of picking words OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF A SENTENCE and ascribing a new meaning to them that wasn't there to start with. -- Jerry
jqj@HOGG.CC.UOREGON.EDU (08/08/88)
It was clearly wrong of me to have elided an elision symbol after my quotation. However, I rather resent being called "downright dishonest." Granted that Olsen clearly believes that the problem is TCP/IP, not any incompetence of the Ultrix group, remember that he sells a product -- Ultrix -- that includes support for networking. It would seem to me that the thrust of the quotation remains that Olsen is not serious about delivering the TCP/IP based Ultrix networking that DEC advertises. Phrased differently, I believe it fair to conclude that Olsen in fact has no confidence that his Ultrix group can deliver on DEC's marketing promises. Another quotation out of context from the same source: "VAX is VMS." This discussion is rapidly shifting away from topics of interest to the TCP-IP mailing list, and to ones more appropriate to INFO-VAX.