tlr@umcp-cs.UUCP (Terry L. Ridder) (10/24/85)
To: nmhr%nmt@csnet-relay In-Reply-To: your article <780@nmtvax.UUCP> You owe about ten people that I know quite well an apology. People who post their resume to the net are not losers. (Please, explain what you mean by losers.) They are people who do not want to use the services of employment agencies for one of the reasons given below: 1. There is a class of employment agencies known as "paper hangers". Their mode of operation is to take a resume and send it to every company that they know of in the geographic area or nationwide. By doing this it does two things. a. Maximize the people, who may read the resume, with very little effort, and cost. b. Spoil the chance of changing jobs for a period of six months. This is due to the practice that the employment agencies have with companys. If a company has received your resume within a six month period from an employment agency and you are hired by that company, even if you are hired on response to an ad, your own private resume, etc, the employment agency still receives 25% of your annual salary. The employment agency did not do anything to earn the fee. 2. There is a class of employment agencies which are called "spoilers". Their mode of operation is to call your present employer and tell them that you are looking for work, that you are not satisfied working for them, etc. The reaction from the present employer is to generally discharge (fire) the employee. The employee then is out of work, this causes the employee a great concern and he/she calls the employment agency and tells them. The employment agency of course acts very shocked and sympathetic to the employee's plight. The employment agency assures the employee that they will find he/she a job shortly. The next day or so the employee receives a call for an interview, the employee goes and is given an offer of employment at or slightly below what he or she was making. The employee accepts the offer out of shear need. This type of employment agency generally works with select companys, who want the employee but do not want to pay the salary the employee is worth, or do not want to match the benefits the employee had. If the employee does hire-on with the company the Employment agency receives 25% of the annual salary, and the amount of money the company saved for 1 year. i.e. Employee A is earning $42,000 a year plus 4 weeks leave a year. Employee A is thinking of looking for a new job and goes to Employment Agency M. M takes A's resume to Company C. C would realy like to get A to work for them. C tells M that they do not want to match the 4 weeks leave and know that A is worth $47,000 a year. M calls A's employer and A is discharged. A is hired by C for $43,500 and 2 weeks vacation a year. C pays M $10,875.00 plus $3,500 plus $3,346. Therefore, M earns $17,721 for getting A fired and hired. (The above example is true and a case of friend of mine. It took him 2 years of court battles to get a judement against both C and M. The lawyers fee were 50% of the judgement.) 3. The last class of employment agencies is called the "harassers". Their mode of operation is to call at all hours of the day and night. They call at home and at work. The have interviews scheduled without asking you or anything. I would rather put my resume on the net then use the services of a headhunter. Signed Terry L. Ridder -- =========================================================================== | | |UUCP: /---!terry | |UUCP: /--- !neurad--< /---!wiretap!{root, tlr} | |UUCP: seismo-< >---!bilbo--< | |UUCP: \--- !umcp-cs-< \---!{root, tlr} | | \---!tlr | | | |ARPA: tlr@maryland | | | |U.S.SNAIL: Terry L. Ridder, 401 Cherry Lane E301, Laurel, Maryland 20707 | | | |Ma Bell: Home: 301-490-2248 Work: 301-859-6271 Work: 301-859-6642 | | | ===========================================================================
mats@fortune.UUCP (Mats Wichmann) (10/29/85)
Anybody who doesn't carefully interview their headhunter deserves whatever form of the problems Ridder describes happens to occur. If you are not going to be representing yourself to a prospective company until they decide they are interested enough to grant you an interview, you better feel very comfortable with the person who IS going to be representing you. (and I have no opinion, one way or the other, about net resumes. I have never hired anyone from a net resume, but the number I have seen is very small. I have hired to less than 1% of the resumes I have received from headhunters, so....) Mats Wichmann Fortune Systems
rlk@chinet.UUCP (Richard L. Klappal) (10/29/85)
[] right on!! -- Richard Klappal UUCP: ..!ihnp4!chinet!uklpl!rlk | "Money is truthful. If a man MCIMail: rklappal | speaks of his honor, make him Compuserve: 74106,1021 | pay cash." USPS: 1 S 299 Danby Street | Villa Park IL 60181 | Lazarus Long TEL: (312) 620-4988 | (aka R. Heinlein) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
tupper@wanginst.UUCP (John Tupper) (10/31/85)
This is all very good, but how does one get the name of a reputable head hunter. Espcially if you are new to an area or are trying to relocate to a different part of the country (i.e. you don't have your normal network of "connections" to ask). -- John Tupper tupper@wanginst (Csnet) Wang Institute of Graduate Studies wanginst!tupper (UUCP) Tyng Road, Tyngsboro, MA 01879 (617) 649-9731
wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (11/01/85)
In article <1958@umcp-cs.UUCP> tlr@umcp-cs.UUCP (Terry L. Ridder) writes: [Extracts:] > 1. There is a class of employment agencies > known as "paper hangers". Their mode of > operation is to take a resume and send it > to every company that they know of in the > geographic area or nationwide. > I would rather put my resume on the net than use the services of > a headhunter. > Terry L. Ridder Something about this that bothers me -- maybe you haven't considered it: If you put your resume on the net, you are making it (to some degree) public. Any of these bad headhunter/employment agency organizations that can get access to the net can copy out all posted resumes, and send them out as they wish, thereby "representing" you even though you never heard of them! Sounds dangerous to me! Will