[net.jobs] Open letter to Tracy A. McInvale concerning the use of HEADHUNTERS.

tlr@umcp-cs.UUCP (Terry L. Ridder) (10/24/85)

To: nmhr%nmt@csnet-relay
In-Reply-To: your article <780@nmtvax.UUCP>

	You owe about ten people that I know quite well
	an apology.  

	People who post their resume to the net are not
	losers. (Please, explain what you mean by losers.)
	They are people who do not want to use the services
	of employment agencies for one of the reasons given
	below:

		1. There is a class of employment agencies
	        known as "paper hangers". Their mode of
		operation is to take a resume and send it 
		to every company that they know of in the
		geographic area or nationwide. By doing this
		it does two things.

			a. Maximize the people, who may
			read the resume, with very little
			effort, and cost.

			b. Spoil the chance of changing jobs
			for a period of six months. This is 
			due to the practice that the employment
			agencies have with companys. If a company
			has received your resume within a six
			month period from an employment agency
			and you are hired by that company, even if
			you are hired on response to an ad, your
			own private resume, etc, the employment
			agency still receives 25% of your annual
			salary. The employment agency did not
			do anything to earn the fee.

		2. There is a class of employment agencies which
		are called "spoilers". Their mode of operation is
		to call your present employer and tell them that you 
		are looking for work, that you are not satisfied working
		for them, etc. The reaction from the present employer 
		is to generally discharge (fire) the employee. The 
		employee then is out of work, this causes the employee
		a great concern and he/she calls the employment agency
		and tells them. The employment agency of course acts
		very shocked and sympathetic to the employee's plight.
		The employment agency assures the employee that they will
		find he/she a job shortly. The next day or so the employee
		receives a call for an interview, the employee goes and is
		given an offer of employment at or slightly below what he
		or she was making. The employee accepts the offer out of 
		shear need. This type of employment agency generally works
		with select companys, who want the employee but do not
		want to pay the salary the employee is worth, or do not
		want to match the benefits the employee had.
		If the employee does hire-on with the company the 
		Employment agency receives 25% of the annual salary, and
		the amount of money the company saved for 1 year.

		i.e. Employee A is earning $42,000 a year plus 4 weeks leave
		a year. Employee A is thinking of looking for a new job and
		goes to Employment Agency M. M takes A's resume to Company
		C. C would realy like to get A to work for them. C tells
		M that they do not want to match the 4 weeks leave and know
		that A is worth $47,000 a year. M calls A's employer and
		A is discharged. A is hired by C for $43,500 and 2 weeks
		vacation a year. C pays M $10,875.00 plus $3,500 plus $3,346.
		Therefore, M earns $17,721 for getting A fired and hired.
		
		(The above example is true and a case of friend of mine.
		 It took him 2 years of court battles to get a judement
		 against both C and M. The lawyers fee were 50% of the
		 judgement.)                             

		3. The last class of employment agencies is called the
		"harassers". Their mode of operation is to call at
		all hours of the day and night. They call at home and
		at work. The have interviews scheduled without asking
		you or anything.

	I would rather put my resume on the net then use the services of 
	a headhunter.

 	Signed 
	Terry L. Ridder
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mats@fortune.UUCP (Mats Wichmann) (10/29/85)

Anybody who doesn't carefully interview their headhunter deserves whatever
form of the problems Ridder describes happens to occur. If you are not
going to be representing yourself to a prospective company until they
decide they are interested enough to grant you an interview, you better
feel very comfortable with the person who IS going to be representing you.

(and I have no opinion, one way or the other, about net resumes.
 I have never hired anyone from a net resume, but the number I
 have seen is very small. I have hired to less than 1% of the
 resumes I have received from headhunters, so....)

Mats Wichmann
Fortune Systems

rlk@chinet.UUCP (Richard L. Klappal) (10/29/85)

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right on!!

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tupper@wanginst.UUCP (John Tupper) (10/31/85)

This is all very good, but how does one get the name of a reputable head
hunter. Espcially if you are new to an area or are trying to relocate to
a different part of the country (i.e. you don't have your normal network
of "connections" to ask).
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Wang Institute of Graduate Studies       wanginst!tupper        (UUCP)
Tyng Road, Tyngsboro, MA 01879           (617) 649-9731

wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (11/01/85)

In article <1958@umcp-cs.UUCP> tlr@umcp-cs.UUCP (Terry L. Ridder) writes:
  [Extracts:]
>		1. There is a class of employment agencies
>	        known as "paper hangers". Their mode of
>		operation is to take a resume and send it 
>		to every company that they know of in the
>		geographic area or nationwide.

>	I would rather put my resume on the net than use the services of 
>	a headhunter.
>	Terry L. Ridder

Something about this that bothers me -- maybe you haven't considered it:

If you put your resume on the net, you are making it (to some degree)
public. Any of these bad headhunter/employment agency organizations that
can get access to the net can copy out all posted resumes, and send them
out as they wish, thereby "representing" you even though you never heard
of them! Sounds dangerous to me!

Will