deke@valhalla.ee.rochester.edu (Dikran Kassabian) (11/11/88)
In article <552@comdesign.CDI.COM>, pst@comdesign.cdi.com (Paul Traina) writes: >Look, this is getting out of hand. Maybe I feel the way I do because my >network was not infected. > > He did not do it on purpose. > He *was* negligent. > He *should* have done more to spread the word. > He was *scared* of the reaction. > He is intelligent, and has made *valuable* > contributions to the net. But what he did was nevertheless harmful and destructive, and should not be encouraged. Leaving him alone sends the wrong message to other would-be virus hackers.... that its "ok" to spread a virus if you "teach a valuable lesson". But its not. Consider some of the less obvious consequences of his actions. Scientists and researchers at a university like mine were unable to use their computers and network links during the virus attack, and lost valuable time. As always, some were up against deadlines and may well be hindered now in their chances for getting results before a conference, or in getting a grant proposal out before deadlines. The medical center/teaching hospital at my university is also network connected. What if the network overload caused patient monitoring systems there to be sluggish and inadequate? Would that be OK because Mr. Morris "did not do it on purpose"? As it turns out, this was not a problem here, but it's not out of the question... it could have happened somewhere. This is serious business! Thank goodness you and I take the network seriously by being good citizens and using our expertise in constructive ways. Others should be encouraged to do the same. >Paul Traina To believe that what is true for >{uunet|pyramid}!comdesign!pst you in your private heart is true >pst@cdi.com for all men, that is genius. ^Deke Kassabian, deke@ee.rochester.edu or ur-valhalla!deke Univ of Rochester, Dept of EE, Rochester, NY 14627 (+1 716-275-3106)
clong@topaz.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) (11/12/88)
OK, if you think he should be punished, what should the extent of the punishment be? I personally feel nothing more than something token is in order, say a fine and 100 hours of community service. People like Mr. Morris do *not* belong in jail. Cheers, -- Chris Long Mathematics Department Rutgers University New Brunswick, NJ 08903
kjd@rust.DEC.COM (Kevin J. Dunlap - DECwest Engineering) (11/14/88)
>>From: clong@topaz.rutgers.edu (Chris Long 12-Nov-88 0158 GMT) >> >>OK, if you think he should be punished, what should the extent of the >>punishment be? Three years working for the NIC having to deal with the day to day problem solving and fire fighting that has to be done on a large network. -Kevin
joshua@athertn.Atherton.COM (Sleaze Hack) (11/15/88)
>>>From: clong@topaz.rutgers.edu (Chris Long 12-Nov-88 0158 GMT) >>> >>>OK, if you think he should be punished, what should the extent of the >>>punishment be? How about 8000 hours of time working for GNU? Hacker public service! If GNU will not take him, then perhaps Berekely (sp?). Josh -------- Quote: "If you want a program bad enough, you'll get Addresses: a bad program." joshua@atherton.com OR sun!athertn!joshua OR {backbone}!{decwrl!hpda}!athertn!joshua work:(408)734-9822 home:(415)968-3718
mike@ists (Mike Clarkson) (11/16/88)
In article <241@olive.athertn.Atherton.COM>, joshua@athertn.Atherton.COM (Sleaze Hack) writes: > >>>From: clong@topaz.rutgers.edu (Chris Long 12-Nov-88 0158 GMT) > >>> > >>>OK, if you think he should be punished, what should the extent of the > >>>punishment be? > > How about 8000 hours of time working for GNU? Hacker public service! > If GNU will not take him, then perhaps Berekely (sp?). Given Stallman's views on security, I'm sure GNU would welcome him with open arms. BTW, how many people are still running gnu emacs' movemail suid root? Mike. -- Mike Clarkson mike@ists.UUCP Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science mike@ists.yorku.ca York University, North York, Ontario, uunet!mnetor!yunexus!ists!mike CANADA M3J 1P3 +1 (416) 736-5611