pugsly@isrnix.UUCP (David Roth) (10/23/85)
I would be interested in any comments anyone has about working for EDS. Is EDS on the net? Thanks in advance. David A. Roth ...decvax!pur-ee!isrnix!pugsly Indianapolis,IN
kehoe@reed.UUCP (Dave Kehoe) (10/27/85)
In article <586@isrnix.UUCP> pugsly@isrnix.UUCP (David Roth) writes: >I would be interested in any comments anyone has about working for EDS. >Is EDS on the net? >Thanks in advance. Watch out! I posted a similar request for information about EDS last May, and two weeks ago (October) I got a call from an EDS employee informing me that EDS doesn't like being discussed on an "electronic bulliten board" (net.jobs is probably a haven for snot-nosed teenage pirate hackers) and that EDS wanted me to remove my request. I had to explain several times that an article posted in May becomes inactive in June, and so has long since gone to where all the good bits go. I guess it just shows that EDS is slow, in addition to their other famous qualities. Oh no, I'm discussing EDS on an electronic bulliten board -- who's that knocking on the door -- are those men in gray suits without facial hair coming for me -- they're making me write in COBOL on an IBM machine--aaargh#$$*&^%(**& -- "Why my thoughts are my own, when they are in, but when they are out they are another's." -- Susanna Martin, executed for witchcraft. Dave Kehoe tektronix!reed!kehoe (503) 230-9454 (h) 684-3314 (w)
jpm@calmasd.UUCP (John McNally) (11/07/85)
> Dave Kehoe writes: > Watch out! I posted a similar request for information about > EDS last May, and two weeks ago (October) I got a call from > an EDS employee informing me that EDS doesn't like being > discussed on an "electronic bulliten board" (net.jobs is > probably a haven for snot-nosed teenage pirate hackers) > and that EDS wanted me to remove my request. ... This is almost certainly inappropriate for net.jobs, but I just can't resist taking cheap shots! What EDS employees like or dislike about simple discussions on information about their company is irrelevent to whether the discussion occurs or not. Now my curiosity is raised and I have a few questions about EDS: 1. Isn't EDS the acronym for Electronic Data Systems, a company originally headquartered in Dallas? 2. Isn't EDS started, run, own by H. Ross Peirot, someone I remember as an extreme political conservative? Isn't EDS the same company whose employees were rescued by EDS during the turmoil of the Iranian revolution? 3. Hasn't EDS been recently acquired by General Motors (in some form) to do their MAP (manufacturing automation protocol) implementation after GM could find no satisfactory contractors? Flames, especially those from self-righteous EDS employees, to /dev/null. -- John McNally GE/Calma 11080 Roselle St. San Diego CA 92121 ...{ucbvax | decvax}!sdcsvax!calmasd!jpm (619)-458-3230
pugsly@isrnix.UUCP (David Roth) (11/11/85)
>From jpm@calmasd.UUCP (John McNally) Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969 >Relay-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site isrnix.UUCP >Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site calmasd.UUCP >Path: isrnix!iubugs!inuxc!ihnp4!qantel!hplabs!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!sdcc3!sdcc6!calmasd!jpm >From: jpm@calmasd.UUCP (John McNally) >Newsgroups: net.jobs >Subject: Re: Wanted: Info on EDS >Message-ID: <607@calmasd.UUCP> >Date: Thu, 7-Nov-85 11:14:44 EST >Article-I.D.: calmasd.607 >Posted: Thu Nov 7 11:14:44 1985 >Date-Received: Sun, 10-Nov-85 13:59:11 EST >References: <586@isrnix.UUCP> <2048@reed.UUCP> >Organization: Calma Company, San Diego, CA >Lines: 29 > >> Dave Kehoe writes: >> Watch out! I posted a similar request for information about >> EDS last May, and two weeks ago (October) I got a call from >> an EDS employee informing me that EDS doesn't like being >> discussed on an "electronic bulliten board" (net.jobs is >> probably a haven for snot-nosed teenage pirate hackers) >> and that EDS wanted me to remove my request. ... > >This is almost certainly inappropriate for net.jobs, but I just >can't resist taking cheap shots! What EDS employees like or >dislike about simple discussions on information about their >company is irrelevent to whether the discussion occurs or not. >Now my curiosity is raised and I have a few questions about EDS: > >1. Isn't EDS the acronym for Electronic Data Systems, a company >originally headquartered in Dallas? >2. Isn't EDS started, run, own by H. Ross Peirot, someone I >remember as an extreme political conservative? Isn't EDS the same >company whose employees were rescued by EDS during the turmoil of >the Iranian revolution? >3. Hasn't EDS been recently acquired by General Motors (in some >form) to do their MAP (manufacturing automation protocol) >implementation after GM could find no satisfactory contractors? > >Flames, especially those from self-righteous EDS employees, to >/dev/null. >-- >John McNally GE/Calma 11080 Roselle St. San Diego CA 92121 >...{ucbvax | decvax}!sdcsvax!calmasd!jpm (619)-458-3230 Yes, EDS has been acquired by GM. I would just like to hear some comments (any comments about EDS) by EDS employees? Any EDS people on the net? I interviewed with EDS about a month ago for a system eng. position. I would be glad to talk to anyone about it who is interested. I felt like I was being sold more on coming to work for them because of the company more than what type of work I would be doing. For me...I am more interested in the type of work I would be doing before I even look at a profit & loss statement. David A. Roth ...decvax!pur-ee!isrnix!pugsly ...ihnp4!isrnix!pugsly Indianapolis,IN
sjl@amdahl.UUCP (Steve Langdon) (11/11/85)
In article <607@calmasd.UUCP> jpm@calmasd.UUCP (John McNally) writes: >3. Hasn't EDS been recently acquired by General Motors (in some >form) to do their MAP (manufacturing automation protocol) >implementation after GM could find no satisfactory contractors? This is inaccurate. GM did buy EDS, but the MAP project is still part of GM, and MAP, unlike most of the computer related work, was not given to EDS. The majority of the MAP implementation work is done by companies making products which they wish to sell to GM and others who have decided to buy MAP compatible products. -- Stephen J. Langdon ...!{ihnp4,cbosgd,hplabs,sun}!amdahl!sjl [ The article above is not an official statement from any organization in the known universe. ]
aeq@pucc-h (Jeff Sargent) (11/12/85)
A man I used to work for went to work for GM a few years back and was
transferred into EDS when GM bought it. One thing he commented on, which
might or might not be of interest to you, is that when it comes to dress
on the job, EDS "out-IBMs IBM" -- i.e., EDS wants its employees to dress
very stuffily. Since many programming types have little sympathy with such
nonessential nonsense, I thought you should be warned.
--
-- Jeff Sargent
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"Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune(6)...."wjh@bonnie.UUCP (Bill Hery) (11/13/85)
There was an article on EDS and GM in Business Week a few months ago. (Look it up in Readers Guide toPeriodical Literature.) One thing I do remember is that a LOT of the GM people who were transfered to EDS (still doing nominally the same job in the same location) were very unhappy and left EDS. The whole atmosphere changed--much less freedom and more management control, rigid dress codes (three piece suits instead of jeans), etc.
sbw@bocklin.UUCP (11/14/85)
>> A man I used to work for went to work for GM a few years back and was >> transferred into EDS when GM bought it. One thing he commented on, which >> might or might not be of interest to you, is that when it comes to dress >> on the job, EDS "out-IBMs IBM" -- i.e., EDS wants its employees to dress >> very stuffily. Since many programming types have little sympathy with such >> nonessential nonsense, I thought you should be warned. >> >> -- >> -- Jeff Sargent I have an acquaintance who lasted two weeks with EDS. He claims that besides the dress code one was expected to drive an american made car (or was it a GM car). Also was never told that there was no pay during the 'training' period, only a small stipend. Steve Wampler
maa@ssc-bee.UUCP (Mark A Allyn) (11/20/85)
> . . . .expected to drive an american made car > (or was it a GM car). Also was never told that there was no pay during > the 'training' period, only a small stipend. Does that mean that one has to buy a car?? I am an avid bicyclist who does not own any car at all. Perhaps this means that I am unacceptable to EDS?? Is commuting 17 miles on a bike a sin to them?? At 10 miles to a loaf of bread and a bannana I am Mark Allyn !uw-beaver!ssc-vax!ssc-bee!maa
scott@scirtp.UUCP (Scott Crenshaw) (11/20/85)
> > One thing I do remember is that a LOT of the GM people who were transfered > to EDS (still doing nominally the same job in the same location) were > very unhappy and left EDS. The whole atmosphere changed--much less freedom > and more management control, rigid dress codes (three piece suits instead > of jeans), etc. I read/heard somewhere that ex-military people did very well at EDS because they were used to the regimentation and 24-hour commitment needed to work there. I suggest that anyone interested in EDS read Ken Follet's _On Wings of Eagles_ (my recollection of the title may be slightly foobared). -- Scott Crenshaw {akgua,decvax}!mcnc!rti-sel!scirtp SCI Systems , Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC The views represented may or may not be those of my employer.
tp@ndm20 (11/21/85)
How's this for a commentary on EDS by its employees: The security
people are commonly know as the "dream police" among the employees I
have known (4-5 casual acquaintences). I live in Dallas. General
sentiment in college when it came around to job hunting time senior
year was that you'd have an easier and more comfortable life in the
marines (plus a lot fewer restrictions). I have been told that they
meddle greatly in your personal life (i.e. they want to (en)force
the EDS image on their employees 24 hours a day).
Now why would they object to discussion of their company? Think they
are afraid of something? I don't care, because I'll never work for
them (I also would rather join the marines).
/* Most definately my own opinion. Shared by many but not
neccessarily my employer. */
Thanks,
Terry Poot
(214)739-4741
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ARPA: ndm20!tp%smu@csnet-relay.ARPAmqh9523@ritcv.UUCP (Michael Hojnowski) (11/22/85)
<Mmmmm, tasty> Someone asked if there are eny EDS'ers on the net. Well, if no one else will step forward, I suppose I can. I work as a systems programmer for EDS in Rochester NY. Yes, I work on IBM's all day. Please... no flames, my friends give me all I can handle. EDS is owned by GM. As I understand it (I'm not much on reading the corporate blurbs), most GM employees who worked in GM datacenters were offered an opportunity to transition into EDS. EDS has traditionally done business by building large Information Processing Centers (IPC's) and running several accounts out of them. I assume that GM hoped this approach would be cheaper than running individual datacenters at each GM site. EDS started, and is headquartered in Dallas. They DO have a rather strict dress code. I am not required to drive a GM car (I happen to drive a Ford). At this point, I wouldn't drive a foreign car because I work at a GM site (Rochester Products (Carburators)). Foreign cars have generally had short lifespans in that parking lot. It seems to be a problem with the hourly people. "Old" EDS'ers who work at IPC's haven't had those sorts of problems. I'll answer any reasonable questions put to me, but don't ask me to post "50 reasons why you should avoid EDS". Obviously, if EDS were as terrible as some people make it out to be, I wouldn't work for them. [ The opinions expressed above are solely my own. I am not a spokesperson for EDS, and please don't consider me one. ] =============================================================================== Mike Hojnowski (Hojo) |allegra| (UUCP) |decvax |!rochester!ritcv!mqh9523 (cute quote goes here) |seismo | (CSNET) mqh9523@ritcv
sra@oddjob.UUCP (Scott R. Anderson) (11/22/85)
In article <431@ssc-bee.UUCP> maa@ssc-bee.UUCP (Mark A Allyn) writes: >> . . . .expected to drive an american made car >> (or was it a GM car). Also was never told that there was no pay during >> the 'training' period, only a small stipend. > >Does that mean that one has to buy a car?? I am an avid bicyclist who >does not own any car at all. Perhaps this means that I am unacceptable to >EDS?? Is commuting 17 miles on a bike a sin to them?? It's okay with them as long as you're riding a Schwinn or Trek (and not a Fuji, Peugeot, Carabella, ... :-) -- Scott Anderson ihnp4!oddjob!kaos!sra
rob@ctvax (12/05/85)
Ah EDS! A few anecdotes: I understand that Ross (the Boss) drives a bullet-proofed Chevy. I think the current dress code for male employees includes suits, white or solid pastel colored shirts and a tie. Moustaches are now permitted but beards are not. I hear tales of employees getting 2am phone calls telling them which 6am flight they are on! Some EDS people keep their passports in their briefcases. A lot of the GM employees were very nervous about being transferred to EDS and losing their automatic cost-of-living raises, paid overtime etc. Rumor has it that EDS would shut down a whole data center and start it somewhere else to avoid union trouble. Don't flame about how YOU wouldn't put up with all this. EDS is very up front with how they run things, and it is my understanding that they take very good care of their employees who are willing to do things their way. Two final points: when EDS commits to a job, they throw in whatever it takes to get it done. Ask yourself, if you were working on contract in a Middle Eastern country that had a revolution and incarcerated you as an Imperialist lackey, would your company pay for a mercenary force to spring you? Rob Spray ctvax!rob
blenko@burdvax.UUCP (Tom Blenko) (12/09/85)
In article <36600004@ctvax> rob@ctvax writes: > Ask yourself, if you were working on contract in a Middle Eastern > country that had a revolution and incarcerated you as an Imperialist > lackey, would your company pay for a mercenary force to spring you? Ask yourself, wouldn't (and don't) most employers see to it that their employees are not placed in this kind of jeapordy? Next, ask yourself whether the hiring of a mercenary force under such circumstances is the best bet for preserving your best interests (your hide), or simply a way for the company to write the situation off (for better or worse), while being assured of publicity benefits irrespective of the outcome. Tom