[net.jobs] Overtime pay for professionals???

mr@homxb.UUCP (M.RINDSBERG) (12/09/85)

> S. M. Sutor at USC says:
> 
> > .... Work overtime!
> > Most companies want to pay you for it ( cheap at twice the price ), but my
> 
> This is an interesting statement. But neither I nor any of my friends
> in the computer science industry works for a company that pays overtime.
> Most of us DO work overtime, just don't get paid for more than 40 hrs.
> Some companies give you compensatory time, others dont even do that.
> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if anybody could post the names of companies
> that pay overtime to computer scientists/programmers?

I know that Norden Systems out in LI pay overtime at 1.5 * rate up to
12 hours per week.
> 
> 			S. Rajeev, AT&T.  ihnp4!attunix!rajeev
> My opinions do not necessarily represent those of AT&T or anything else
mark

sitze@rruxo.UUCP (R Sitze) (12/10/85)

Bell Communications Research pays overtime after 40 hours, I believe
it is something like 1.5 * regular pay.  Double time on weekends and
holiday's. 


BTW.  I am trying to get back to school and finish my BS.
Sort of got side tracked for a year here.  Anybody know
where I can go to school with a part time job that would
cover tuition charges, and enough to live on; as an under-
grad??  I worked it out that way for two years, but want
to transfer to a better school.

So where is NMSU on this net anyway??

					<ras>

					sitze!rruxo!ihnp4

dmsealy@mit-amt.MIT.EDU (Dexter Sealy) (12/10/85)

> 
> This is an interesting statement. But neither I nor any of my friends
> in the computer science industry works for a company that pays overtime.
> Most of us DO work overtime, just don't get paid for more than 40 hrs.
> Some companies give you compensatory time, others dont even do that.
> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if anybody could post the names of companies
> that pay overtime to computer scientists/programmers?
>

While working for a medium-sized software company in Cambridge, Mass. this 
summer, I was not able to get overtime, but did get my regular salary for 
all the hours I worked.  (i.e if I worked 60 hours, I got paid for 60 hours).

My colleagues on the other hand did not get a similar deal.  Then again,
I approched my boss and asked for it.  

I think the fact that it was a small to medium sized company made this 
possible.  The pevious year when I worked for GTE in Needham, Mass. a
similar arrangement would have been unheard of.

					dmsealy@mit-amt.MIT.EDU

hxe@rayssd.UUCP (Heather Emanuel) (12/12/85)

> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if anybody could post the names of companies
> that pay overtime to computer scientists/programmers?

Raytheon Submarine Signal Division in Portsmouth, Rhode Island pays
overtime based on the calculated straight-time pay per hour (we are
salaried on a monthly basis), up to either 8 or 12 hours per week,
depending on prior approval.  If you're on a project that expects
overtime work, you are usually just put on the overtime roster
without any hassles.  The overtime pay is paid each month in a
separate check, which is sort of like a little bonus if you don't
budget around it.

--Heather Emanuel {allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, raybed2} rayssd!hxe
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besc@ihlpf.UUCP (Shaver) (12/13/85)

> > S. M. Sutor at USC says:
> > 
> > > .... Work overtime!
> > > Most companies want to pay you for it ( cheap at twice the price ), but my
> > 
> > This is an interesting statement. But neither I nor any of my friends
> > in the computer science industry works for a company that pays overtime.
> > Most of us DO work overtime, just don't get paid for more than 40 hrs.
> > Some companies give you compensatory time, others dont even do that.
> > Just out of curiosity, I wonder if anybody could post the names of companies
> > that pay overtime to computer scientists/programmers?
> 
> I know that Norden Systems out in LI pay overtime at 1.5 * rate up to
> 12 hours per week.
> > 
> > 			S. Rajeev, AT&T.  ihnp4!attunix!rajeev
> > My opinions do not necessarily represent those of AT&T or anything else
> mark

I have been working overtime at time and a half for 6 months now.

					Bruce E. Shaver
					AT&T Bell Laboratories
					Naperville IL

mr@homxb.UUCP (M.RINDSBERG) (12/13/85)

> > > S. M. Sutor at USC says:
> > > 
> > > > .... Work overtime!
> > > > Most companies want to pay you for it ( cheap at twice the price ), but my
> > > 
> > > This is an interesting statement. But neither I nor any of my friends
> > > in the computer science industry works for a company that pays overtime.
> > > Most of us DO work overtime, just don't get paid for more than 40 hrs.
> > > Some companies give you compensatory time, others dont even do that.
> > > Just out of curiosity, I wonder if anybody could post the names of companies
> > > that pay overtime to computer scientists/programmers?
> > 
> > I know that Norden Systems out in LI pay overtime at 1.5 * rate up to
> > 12 hours per week.
> > > 
> > > 			S. Rajeev, AT&T.  ihnp4!attunix!rajeev
> > > My opinions do not necessarily represent those of AT&T or anything else
> > mark
> 
> I have been working overtime at time and a half for 6 months now.
> 
> 					Bruce E. Shaver
> 					AT&T Bell Laboratories
> 					Naperville IL
What project are you on , I might be interested (-: (-:
mark

pugsly@isrnix.UUCP (David A. Roth) (12/15/85)

In most of the programming positions I worked in overtime was not required but
assumed. Most people worked overtime simply because they wanted too.
If you are interested in something and like working on it and if no one expects
you to work overtime and you do it on your own, fine.
 
  
BUT, those lame reasons managers calling you not a "team player" or "lack of commitment" is hog wash.
Most overtime is caused by mis-management and lack of planning. These
so-called emergencies usually happen because of the above.
Taking it out on the people you manage is not only not right it will come back to haunt you
in the form of turnover and upset employes.
  
The suggestion made to of course try and avoid all this by talking about
all this during the interview and again with your manager.
  
The company you work for doesn't give there goods away..and nether should you!
  
David A. Roth
...decvax!pur-ee!isrnix!pugsly
...ihnp4!isrnix!pugsly
Indianapolis,IN

hammond@steinmetz.UUCP (Steve Hammond) (12/16/85)

> I have been working overtime at time and a half for 6 months now.
> 
> 					Bruce E. Shaver
> 					AT&T Bell Laboratories
> 					Naperville IL

                     ^
                     |
    Is this why my phone bill is so much ?  :-)

Seriously though, what exactly do you mean by a professional???
Are you trying to distinguish between a programmer and a computer
scientist?  It is really another topic and perhaps could be discussed 
elsewhere.

Here at GE's Corporate R&D Center, the hourly workers get paid 
by the hour, obviously.  If they work more than 40 hours a week
then they are compensated accordingly. 
I am a member of the R&D staff and thus termed "exempt".
That means that I have certain responsibilities to the company.
If I need 60 hours to complete some work, then I have to spend
late nights here to do it.  It is my responsibility to do what
it takes to make a project successful.  If I can get it done
only spending 30 hours a week then that is fine also.My pay will
be the same in both cases.  I guess working more than 40 is refered to as 
"casual overtime".  Most have to do it but no one is directly paid
for the additional time.  The fact that I don't get money for
the extra time I put in does not bother me, there are other
compensating factors.  I don't have to punch a clock, I don't
have to be here right at 8:00.  There are freedoms but along
with them are responsibilities.  I like it this way.
-- 
  Steve Hammond 
   arpa: hammond@ge-crd    uucp: ...rochester!steinmetz!hammond

kurtzman@uscvax.UUCP (Stephen Kurtzman) (12/19/85)

In article <642@isrnix.UUCP> pugsly@isrnix.UUCP (David A. Roth) writes:

>The company you work for doesn't give there goods away..and nether should
>you!

You should also remember that the company is always a week or two behind in
your paycheck. So if anyone owes someone else something, the company owes
you!