aps@decvax.UUCP (Armando P. Stettner) (02/14/85)
Hi gang. I just thought I would give my two cents worth here. It seems to me that the purpose of net.jobs (or at least that to which it has evolved) is to be simply a ``jobs'' forum: a news group where someone looking for a job can look and a news group where those with job openings can make those opening known. Head hunters make money by placing people in jobs. So, if a head hunter ``advertises'' on the net, they probably have openings to fill. The only thing I would be concerned about is abuse of the access to the net by head hunters (simply collecting names of people and broadcasting (or multicasting) those names everywhere, indiscriminately). Think of the advantages: instead of having to print out (doesn't everybody keep their resume on-line) and U.S. Snail mail a resume to a head hunter with a potentially good opening, you can just uucp it (mail) to them. And besides, you don't have to read head hunter postings if you don't want to. However, if you are looking for a job, sometimes, it is wise to check every lead you can. aps.
mikel@codas.UUCP (Mikel Manitius) (12/18/85)
I beleive that the net is a ``not for profit'' network. Therefore,
it is against the "rules" for someone like a headhunter to post
advertisements which they would use directly for their own profit.
Net.jobs serves as job information to people who use the net, and
to companies are truly looking for people to fill open positions.
The following rule should be considered:
A person may not post a job add in the network if they are
going to make a dirrect profit for finding someone through it.
Besides, I can't imagine who would want to feed a headhunter with news anyway.
--
Mikel Manitius @ AT&T-IS Altamonte Springs, FL
...{ihnp4|akgua|bellcore|clyde|koura}!codas!mikelsvn@sdchema.UUCP (Sameer Nadkarni) (12/21/85)
In article <395@codas.UUCP> mikel@codas.UUCP (Mikel Manitius) writes: >I beleive that the net is a ``not for profit'' network. Therefore, >it is against the "rules" for someone like a headhunter to post >advertisements which they would use directly for their own profit.... > >The following rule should be considered: > > A person may not post a job add in the network if they are > going to make a dirrect profit for finding someone through it. > > Mikel Manitius @ AT&T-IS Altamonte Springs, FL > ...{ihnp4|akgua|bellcore|clyde|koura}!codas!mikel I'm not sure I understand this. Do you consider hi-tek companies to be "not for profit" organizations? And why is "direct" profit such a dirty word/deed/consequence (as compared to "indirect" profit? ) Sameer Nadkarni
mikel@codas.UUCP (Mikel Manitius) (12/30/85)
> In article <395@codas.ATT.UUCP> mikel@codas.ATT.UUCP (Mikel Manitius) writes: > >I beleive that the net is a ``not for profit'' network. Therefore, > >it is against the "rules" for someone like a headhunter to post > >advertisements which they would use directly for their own profit.... > > > >The following rule should be considered: > > > > A person may not post a job add in the network if they are > > going to make a dirrect profit for finding someone through it. > > I'm not sure I understand this. Do you consider hi-tek companies to > be "not for profit" organizations? And why is "direct" profit such > a dirty word/deed/consequence (as compared to "indirect" profit? ) > > Sameer Nadkarni I mean that there are many companies that pay phone bills to receive and send usenet. They do not use it to advertise their products, or services. Why should a headhunter be allowed to advertise his services on a network for which other people would be paying for? -- Mikel Manitius @ AT&T-IS Altamonte Springs, FL ...{ihnp4|akgua|bellcore|clyde|koura}!codas!mikel
spp@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU (Stephen P Pope) (01/03/86)
> Why should a headhunter be allowed to advertise his services on a network > for which other people would be paying for? > -- > Mikel Manitius @ AT&T-IS Altamonte Springs, FL There is very little difference between a headhunter and a corporate recruiter. Well, maybe the profit incentive is a little bigger for the headhunter. But I bet at a lot of companies the recruiters get paid by the piece. By your reasoning, we shouldn't let programmers post technical questions to the net if they happen to be entrepreneurs, rather than employees of one of the "big" companies that pay "most" of the phone bills. Assuming that "net.jobs" exists at all, you will have to accept that many postings to it will have a profit motive. It would be fair (but not desirable in my view) if net.jobs is restricted to postings from job seekers only. If you allow employers to post, you must also allow their agents, the headhunters. steve pope (...ucbvax!spp)
greenber@phri.UUCP (Ross Greenberg) (01/03/86)
> > Why should a headhunter be allowed to advertise his services on a network > > for which other people would be paying for? > > -- > > Mikel Manitius @ AT&T-IS Altamonte Springs, FL Golly! Where des that leave me? About five times per year a headhunter friend of mine asks me to post some open job slots that she is having trouble filling. I derive nothing in the way of financial reward, just the warm feeling of helping a friend in her chosen career. Of course, the idea that about five people have taken jobs through her, due directly to my postings for her, mean that somebody has found some benefit: the person who has read about the job and has decided to try it out. I would rather have persons such as mdee posting jobs and giving me the opportunity to 'n' past them, then not have a newsgroup like net.jobs. ross m. greenberg ihnp4!allegra!phri!sysdes!greenber
dave@ur-helheim.UUCP (David F. Carlson) (01/03/86)
In article <11338@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> spp@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU (Stephen P Pope) writes: >> Why should a headhunter be allowed to advertise his services on a network >> for which other people would be paying for? >> -- >> Mikel Manitius @ AT&T-IS Altamonte Springs, FL > >There is very little difference between a headhunter and a >corporate recruiter. > >steve pope (...ucbvax!spp) steve, The difference is fine. What mdee did was not to post a job offering (which IS what this net is for.) but s/he posted an ad for an employment service. Not a JOB per se but a SERVICE. Today I had a mdee job listing come over. A concrete job. No problem (if it isn't a come on: $60k for a LISP hacker-- REALLY!!) If posters stick to jobs not services (which is what we have phone books and newspapers for :-) ) this net can remain useful to persons like myself seeking a job not a B.... dave -- "The Faster I Go the Behinder I Get" --Lewis Carroll Dave Carlson {allegra,seismo,decvax}!rochester!ur-valhalla!dave