[comp.protocols.tcp-ip] NSFnet and time sync.

pprindev@wellfleet.com (Philip Prindeville) (09/04/89)

Does anyone know how closely the clocks on the NSFnet routers
are synchronized?  Do they run any sort of time protocol?  Are
any tools in use that require accurate time keeping?  Such as
IP Internet Timestamp options?  Dave?  Hans-Werner?

Thanks,

-Philip

Mills@UDEL.EDU (09/05/89)

Philip,

I don't think HW watches this frequency, so I will try to explain what I
understand is their policy. The NSS' do in fact fun a (very old and hacked)
version of NTP, but chime only among themselves and a couple of handpicked
stratum-1 tickers outside net 129.140. However, they (IBM and Merit) are
not willing to support ubiquitous NTP access for fear of abuse, either in 
numbers or evil purpose. In order to encourage a more liberal agenda, I
persuaded Ford Scientific Labs to donate their GOES receiver and Fuzzball to
Merit, if only to operate as a standalone time server, but the actual
move has not occured yet. I will of course continue to pursue this agenda
and maybe someday it will happen. Meanwhile, while NTP access is blocked,
ICMP Timestamp still works. Before you get further ideas, be advised the
NSS' do not seem to be very reliable sources of synchronized time, for what
reason I can't tell. The regional Fuzzballs are much more stable and precise,
even the stratum-2 servers.

Dave

pprindev@wellfleet.com (Philip Prindeville) (09/05/89)

Dave,

	What I had in mind was more a question of whether anyone uses
ICMP timestamps to measure network delay.  If so, then synchronization
is fairly important.  I've been playing with the idea of hacking
wiretap into ANSI-SPF, and timestamps would be a good way to divine
performance information.  However, it would require close synchro-
nization amongst the participants...

-Philip