[comp.protocols.tcp-ip] Smart filtering within a protocol on bridge/router?

glen@aecom.yu.edu (Glen M. Marianko) (11/16/89)

Anyone ever hear of a bridge or router that can filter traffic within
a protocol.  Like tell the box to "filter all TELNET traffic" or
"allow only SMTP traffic" either globally or for individual nodes.
Granted, this is rather esoteric - but security is the concept
here.

Thanks!


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mep@AQUA.WHOI.EDU (Michael E. Pare) (11/16/89)

3COM/Bridge aloows filtering based on packet content and you can build the
filters using logical operators such as and, or, nor, etc.  To trap these
packets you could start the filter using type 0800 (IP) and then the 
particular info for the exact packets you are trying to filter.  All you
need to know is the format of the packet so you'll know what to enter.
Hope this helps.

Michael Pare 
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole, MA 02543

ESC1814@ESOC.BITNET (11/22/89)

Using the Cisco router extended access-list feature you can filter IP
connections according to Source and Destination address, protocol ie.
IP, TCP, UDP, & ICMP, and down to the port number/service access point.

You can use >, <, or == or != operators to specify which port(s) may be
accessed. eg to allow only mail connections you could restrict a connection
between hosts to port 25 (SMTP port)

Dave Stafford
European Space Operations Centre
Darmstadt,
W. Germany

kr@apollo.HP.COM (Keith Alan Rodwell) (11/23/89)

	There are a number of companies who deal with protocol layer
brdiges that can do packet filtering.  Proteon, Bridge and Cisco come
to mind.  Some are even programmable enough that you can define new 
protocols (i.e. Apollo/HP 8019...).  You should look at a number of 
vendors before you buy.  There are many options/limitations with many
models.  Look hard at what you need to do v.s. cost.

			---Keith

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cpw%sneezy@LANL.GOV (C. Philip Wood) (11/24/89)

... packet filtering ...  DEC LanBridges and such filter packets when you
don't want them to.  ARP packets for example, addressed to the broadcast
(all 1's) address get blocked by broken filterware in the LanBridges.

Does anyone know the why of this and the how of fixing.  My recommendation
is to trash these bogus active components and learn to live within the
ethernet specification.

Phil Wood, cpw@lanl.gov

enger@SCCGATE.SCC.COM (Robert M. Enger) (11/24/89)

The DEC LanBridge problem is an old one, isn't it?
The old firmware on LanBridges would "learn" the broadcast address
if it heard it, and add it to the "routing" table.  Unfortunately,
this was also the flag for the end-of-routing-table marker, so the
table stopped growing to boot!  (atleast these are my recollections)

DEC has supplied updated "firmware" with the bug fixed.  
There was considerable difficulty dealing with field service
(convincing them that a repair was called for, that the repiar
part number I gave them was real, etc, etc, etc).  They eventually
did fix our LanBridge 100s.  But then we went on to upgrade our
network, and replace LanBridges with P4200s.  Now, instead of
10,000 packets per second, we get 1000 :-)

If nothing else, when the LanBridges work, they're fast!

Bob