pvo3366@OCE.ORST.EDU (Paul O'Neill) (12/17/89)
> A source-route, record route ping > would be a nice thing to try. That's what the folks who wrote ``pong'' thought. Until they discovered that it's a good way to remotely crash a lot of BSD 4.2-based gateways. Not very neighborly..... Paul O'Neill pvo@oce.orst.edu Coastal Imaging Lab OSU--Oceanography Corvallis, OR 97331 503-737-3251
enger@SCCGATE.SCC.COM (Robert M. Enger) (12/18/89)
Isn't it about time for 4.2 to die? Yes, 4.2 is dumb, but even in a court of law ignorance is no excuse (imagine how many politicians could get off if ignorance was all it took :-) ). Source route traceroute is out already, better get the weak and disabled off the street. There must be a nice warm corner waiting for them in a Smithsonian exhibit, perhaps right next to the Strowger switches? Happy holidays to all, Bob Enger
pvo3366@sapphire.OCE.ORST.EDU (Paul O'Neill) (12/18/89)
In article <8912172016.AA01804@sccgate.scc.com> enger@SCCGATE.SCC.COM (Robert M. Enger) writes: >Isn't it about time for 4.2 to die? Sure. And I'm glad my systems are running the latest and the greatest. However... >Source route traceroute is out already, better get the weak and disabled >off the street. I know folks who are stuck at 4.2 (SunOS 3.5) because their vendors haven't updated critical applications to run under SunOS 4.0 yet. Were I to go out and start crashing their gateways w/ pong or S-R traceroute I doubt they or the Internet community at large would appreciate it. Your street analogy is quite appropriate. Should Corvettes run Model-T's off the road because they're weak & disabled? Especially if there's a passing lane? (Regular traceroute usually tells me all I need without crashing them.) Paul O'Neill pvo@oce.orst.edu Coastal Imaging Lab OSU--Oceanography Corvallis, OR 97331 503-754-3251
roy@phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) (12/19/89)
pvo3366@sapphire.OCE.ORST.EDU (Paul O'Neill) writes: > I know folks who are stuck at 4.2 (SunOS 3.5) because their vendors haven't > updated critical applications to run under SunOS 4.0 yet. Not to mention those of us stuck at SunOS-3.5 because Sun has not yet convinced me that running 4.0 on my 3/50s is a viable option. -- Roy Smith, Public Health Research Institute 455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016 roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu -OR- {att,philabs,cmcl2,rutgers,hombre}!phri!roy "My karma ran over my dogma"
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (12/19/89)
In article <14450@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> pvo3366@sapphire.OCE.ORST.EDU (Paul O'Neill) writes: >I know folks who are stuck at 4.2 (SunOS 3.5) because their vendors haven't >updated critical applications to run under SunOS 4.0 yet... Other folks are stuck at SunOS 3.5 because they view SunOS 4.0.n as a "customer beta" release and aren't satisfied with its reliability and performance. We'd really like to upgrade to 4.3-compatible networking, but having to accept the rest of SunOS 4.0 with it is too high a price. -- 1755 EST, Dec 14, 1972: human | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology exploration of space terminates| uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
jay@silence.princeton.nj.us (Jay Plett) (12/20/89)
In article <1989Dec18.215450.14457@utzoo.uucp>, henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: > Other folks are stuck at SunOS 3.5 because they view SunOS 4.0.n as a > "customer beta" release and aren't satisfied with its reliability and > performance. We'd really like to upgrade to 4.3-compatible networking, > but having to accept the rest of SunOS 4.0 with it is too high a price. Nonsense. Harumph.
casey@gauss.llnl.gov (Casey Leedom) (12/20/89)
| From: jay@silence.princeton.nj.us (Jay Plett) | | > From: henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) | > | > Other folks are stuck at SunOS 3.5 because they view SunOS 4.0.n as a | > "customer beta" release and aren't satisfied with its reliability and | > performance. We'd really like to upgrade to 4.3-compatible networking, | > but having to accept the rest of SunOS 4.0 with it is too high a price. | | Nonsense. Harumph. Well. I guess that told him. Rarely have I witnessed such startlingly insightful repartee. Go get him Jay. Don't forget to load your gun next time. Casey P.S. I, like Henry, have no intention of switching to Sun OS 4.X until it improves its CPU and memory usage performance considerably.